AR - Home invasion by Police imposters, woman shot.(VIDEO)

[Irish]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye

This guy wasn't mistakenly raided even though whether or not they should've been there in the first place was questioned. His case basically came down to the belief that they did announce themselves as police so his actions were not justified.

Please try to refrain from posting articles about botched raids. We all know it happens and people can do their own research if they're inclined to learn more. The only thing that will come from posting articles such as this is people's blood getting heated on both sides of the aisle which will result in this thread getting closed. Thanks.

[NCPatrolAR]

What if they're yelling police? After they've got "control" of the situation in their "dynamic entry" it would be too late for you to defend yourself. I believe due to the initial confusion and the oh shit factor that you've lost your opportunity to defend yourself.

I wouldnt say you've lost the opportunity to defend yourself. You may be playing deeper behind the power-curve, but honestly you are behind it the minute your doors flies open and you arent already doing something.

What if the real police don't announce themselves?I know that there are many cases where the real police have made mistakes on innocent people's houses and people have been shot and killed resulting in a tragic loss of life. I also know there are many recorded cases where police imposters have conducted their own "raids" and people have been seriously injured or killed. How do you distinguish between the 2 as a law abiding citizen in your house?

If you become familiar with the way the police conduct operations such as dynamic warrant services, hopefully it will give you an edge. Typically, it isnt going to take the police multiple kicks (since we dont kick external doors) to conduct the breach. If a breach is made, it is ultimately up to you to decide if you need to shoot or not.

If you want to limit the chances of this happening you can do things such as:

know your neighbors
dont be involved in criminal activity or associate with criminals
harden the entry points to your residence
have good lighting around your home
have your address clearing marked on the outside of the home

Ultimately it boils down to the usual things when it comes to using lethal force. Be able to clearly articulate why you did what you did and why you used what you used to do it.

[Littlelebowski]

This talk of the very real threat of mistaken addresses has pushed me over to actually getting on with my home video camera setup. That seems to be the best way of getting a fair shake if something happens whether it be thugs or a mistaken police raid.

[-gary]

Please try to refrain from posting articles about botched raids.

Sure thing, but I must point out that I posted it because it was not a botched raid and was legally obtained and executed on the correct house. The case's hinging point was whether or not he was justified in shooting out of fear for his life and if the jury believed that an announcement was made.

Point taken, subject dropped.

[BrianS]

A couple kids I went to school with did some home invasion robberies on drug dealers in 1997 where they identified themselves as cops during the robberies.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/wa-suprem...t/1145564.html

There was also a shooting in Pierce County I think in 95, Pierce County deputies served a warrant on a drug dealer named Brian Eggleston. A deputy named John Bananola was killed during the raid and there were some allegations by the defense that they were not properly dressed/identifiable as deputies at the time of the shooting during the subsequent murder trial.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/wa-court-...s/1298301.html

The things these two incidents have in common is the guy being robbed/raided is a drug dealer and the badguys/police might not have looked much like police. The more incidents like this happen the more I think the cops change their procedures to be more readily identifiable as the police. I guess in the unlikely event this ever happens to you when you aren't a drug dealer you just have to use your best judgement as to whether or not criminals could realistically be doing what is being done (in terms of number of people, equipment, skills, etc.) like a previous poster stated.

[Irish]

If you want to limit the chances of this happening you can do things such as:

1. know your neighbors
2. dont be involved in criminal activity or associate with criminals
3. harden the entry points to your residence
4. have good lighting around your home
5. have your address clearing marked on the outside of the home

Ultimately it boils down to the usual things when it comes to using lethal force. Be able to clearly articulate why you did what you did and why you used what you used to do it.

I think this may be an oversimplification although I do understand where you're coming from. I've numbered them to help address them and make more sense of what I'm writing in response.

1. Knowing your neighbors doesn't always mean anything. I'm sure there's a plethora of criminals who live next door to people who wave hi to them on a consistent basis and have no idea about their activites.

2. Being involved with criminal activity is off topic due to the fact that we're talking about criminals invading your home or police mistakently raiding your house. If you're a criminal than they should be there in most instances.

3. I would agree with this for any law abiding citizen. There's a reason castles had moats and other things to keep bad guys out. I firmly believe an alarm system along with a good dog does a lot to keep a family safe and provide early warning.

4. The good lighting is a good deterrance for the common criminal. I'm not sure how it would play in the given scenarios of this thread.

5. The address being marked is good not only for police but also firefighters and paramedics in the event you need them. Not to mention the pizza delivery guy.

Being able to articulate why you used lethal force when a criminal is entering your residence is very different than if police entered your house by mistake. If they are mistakenly entering your house and they see a gun you're dead or full of holes. If you survive you will be charged and face prosecution.

I agree with the majority of what you've said and I do think the chances are very slim that this will ever happen to anyone of us. With that being said I think the chances of needing 3 magazines in our chest rig, a BUG and battle belt to go with our pistol and AR should the SHTF and zombies invade are pretty slim for most of us as well.

I do think this is an interesting topic but now I need to board a plane. My work's done in PHX and it's time to get home to the wifey. Stay safe!

[Honu]

as Gary mentioned this is happening more and more in phoenix
and yes it is mostly criminal against criminal but to me its a matter of time till its not !!

a friend from my girls school had her home broken into ! their was a string of home invasions happening and her neighbor got wacked on the head and stuffed in the closet with her kids !

a matter of time I say till its the norm ! the scary thing is quite a few hear have found to have bullet proof vests on etc...

as far as the real police on my door ? I doubt it and busting in my front door wont be easy might give me a few extra moments to think and prepare ?

[QuietShootr]

This talk of the very real threat of mistaken addresses has pushed me over to actually getting on with my home video camera setup. That seems to be the best way of getting a fair shake if something happens whether it be thugs or a mistaken police raid.

Supercircuits.com - and make sure you're streaming to an offsite server. Won't do you a lot of good if your stored video is 'inaccessible' to you for whatever reason.

[cobra90gt]

Seen a recent surge in this tactic by rival dope dealers. It is happening more often (often under-reported because the "victims" happen to be engaged in illegal activities and don't want to report it to LE).

"Hi, I want to report my dope and narcotics proceeds stolen."


It IS unfortunate when the victims aren't dope dealers. Especially when the bad guys go around impersonating LE to raid the homes of law abiding folks to commit B&Es. Those bad guys are praying on the citizens' "trust" of LE.

Sucks that Joe Dirtbag can order up a plethora of "police" patches/shirts/hats on the web or visit certain brick/mortar stores and equip themselves with pseudo-LE gear to conduct these raids and rob people.

NCPatrolAR offered up some good advice on how to avoid being the "wrong target." Generally speaking, a fully marked patrol car will often be utilized as well during a legitimate raid (not always the case, but often a good idea to avoid confusion and liability, YMMV).

Not gonna touch the topic of no-knock warrants with a 10 ft pole.

[bubabootie]

I'd like to see mandatory sentencing enhancements (similar to firearms enhancements) for crimes committed by criminals masquerading as police.

I'm with ya! I mean, you're violating a sacred trust by impersonating a peace officer, just like you'd be violating the sacred trust of being a (legal) firearm owner.