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    Prophylactic knee braces for tactical situations

    This week I got fitted with a knee brace after falling on my patella during our fitness test run last month (full kit, weapon, boots, helmet, etc). My knee is structurally sound, with just some fluid behind and knee and some weakened ligaments. I got up and finished the test in time, and I am sure it didn't help my injury...

    Well, I am amazed how well the knee brace works, and it got me thinking about using them in high risk situations. I know that football players have used them before, but I don't know what the current research is showing.

    We have boots with ankle support, so why not knee support?

    I thought it might be interesting if someone came up with a knee brace and knee pad that can be used as a prophylactic to injury in a tactical environment. Of course, it will have to be in multicam .

    BTW, I was unable to have an MRI done due to some shrapnel in my legs. What is the risk of having metal during an MRI?
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    Theoretically on a closed MRI it will pull it out. I have pins in my knees and ALL cadaver ligaments. You can go with an Open MRI and you will be good. Don Joy or Bregg make a couple of athletic knee braces, but you are really better looking around, finding what suits you then get someone to fit you with what will work. You might even end up with 5 or 6 different ones for whatever your doing. Obviously, standing in a turret on a M2 is going to require something different than sitting in a front seat of a uparmored vehicle. keep in mind they all slip down, you will end up wearing it on the outside of your pants like I did in Iraq. Just so you can constantly adjust them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja View Post

    BTW, I was unable to have an MRI done due to some shrapnel in my legs. What is the risk of having metal during an MRI?
    Screening for intra-orbital metallic foreign bodies prior to MRI: Review of the evidence
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    References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

    William Baileya and Leslie Robinsonb, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author

    aMRI, Leighton Hospital, Middlewich Road, Cheshire CW1 4QJ, UK

    bRadiography Department, University of Salford, Frederick Road, Salford, Greater Manchester M6 6PU, UK
    Received 12 April 2005;
    accepted 7 September 2005.
    Available online 1 December 2005.

    Abstract

    Magnetic resonance imaging of patients with a metallic Intra-Orbital Foreign Body (IOFB) may be hazardous.

    Much controversy exists with regard to the optimum initial screening protocol to be undertaken which will ensure patients with metallic IOFBs do not enter the MR controlled area.

    Once a patient has been screened as ‘at risk’, further variations in practice exist with regard to optimum imaging modality and radiographic technique to rule out the FB. This is due to a paucity of empirical research which is diverse in approach and conclusion.

    MR radiographers are developing their role and, as advanced practitioners, will find themselves increasingly involved in decision-making with regard to patient safety. Although it may feel a comfortable option to request a radiograph on all patients who pose a dilemma, MR radiographers need to be able to defend such a course of action through a thorough understanding of the financial and dose implications as discussed in the literature.

    This review will highlight some of the arguments both for and against screening patients for metallic IOFB and consider the radiographic screening options for ‘at risk’ patients.

    Keywords: Metallic IOFB; MRI safety; Orbital FB
    This one made me LOL:
    http://mrimetaldetector.com/media/do...AUDE-Knife.pdf

    This one might not buff out:
    http://mrimetaldetector.com/media/do...E-Scissors.pdf

    Ow:
    http://mrimetaldetector.com/blog/201...-50k/#more-739

    And my personal favorite:
    Spontaneous Discharge of a Firearm in an MRI Environment

    Translation: Big Scary Magnet in Operation. Don't Come In Here With ****ing Ferromagnetic Metal Anywhere On Or In Your Body!

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    my understanding that the only metal that's effected by MRI is magnetic metal- steel, iron. lead and copper shouldn't effect it at all, but i don't know what kind of shrapnel you have. i'm also not a doctor, but it was an MRI technician that told me that.

    i would imagine that the consequences would be PAIN, but not much else, in your leg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    my understanding that the only metal that's effected by MRI is magnetic metal- steel, iron. lead and copper shouldn't effect it at all, but i don't know what kind of shrapnel you have.
    It was a PKM round that broke partially apart when it went thru my vehicle before it smacked me. I assume it would mostly be lead.

    The Doc said I really didn't have to do the MRI since the xray was good.

    I will look around and see what other types are for sale here, maybe one specific to sports?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja View Post
    It was a PKM round that broke partially apart when it went thru my vehicle before it smacked me. I assume it would mostly be lead.

    The Doc said I really didn't have to do the MRI since the xray was good.

    I will look around and see what other types are for sale here, maybe one specific to sports?
    Could be a steel jacket or a fragment of mild steel core? I imagine having it yanked OUT probably wouldn't hurt more than the putting it in, it would just be a concern that it get pulled through something important on its way out.

    Anyway - sorry for the hijack. I'm not sure why I find big scary magnets funny, but there it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietShootr View Post
    Could be a steel jacket or a fragment of mild steel core? I imagine having it yanked OUT probably wouldn't hurt more than the putting it in, it would just be a concern that it get pulled through something important on its way out.

    Anyway - sorry for the hijack. I'm not sure why I find big scary magnets funny, but there it is
    would it seriously come OUT? i just figured it'd shift and hurt and possibly do some minor local damage..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    would it seriously come OUT? i just figured it'd shift and hurt and possibly do some minor local damage..

    Read some of those links I posted. An MRI yanked a Colt Officer's out of a man's grip and fired it without dropping the hammer. Another one had a pair of scissors pulled out of a tech's pocket and buried it in his head deep enough to require surgery...just because he was dumb enough to be in the same room with a ferromagnetic object and unfortunate enough to be between it and the magnet.

    There is a concern that steel dust/filings embedded in an eye could be pulled out with enough force to avulse a cornea. A steel 7.62 jacket is plenty large enough for that thing to grab and pull out.

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    Looks like someone already designed what I was thinking about...




    I think this may be of use to folks with bad knees, humping big loads, in bad lands...

    I am not sure if my knee will ever be the same, especially at my age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja View Post
    Looks like someone already designed what I was thinking about...




    I think this may be of use to folks with bad knees, humping big loads, in bad lands...

    I am not sure if my knee will ever be the same, especially at my age.
    Thanks for the follow up on your search for a " tactical prophylactic" knee brace. I am sorry to hear about your fall and impressed with your resilience and tenacity in being able to finish your run.

    Could you please provide a link to the source of the brace you found above? I recently had a work related fall from about 10' and have some hairline fractures as well as sprains ,strains and contusions to my knee and elbow and could use something like that brace( I already have a brace but without the knee protection) to get back into the training /practice game without as much fear of re injury. Of course this would be after I am cleared by my physical therapist to do so. I have tried my arcterx knee caps in conjunction with my brace but it is an imperfect solution as far as I can tell with my limited range of motion I am currently experiencing.
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