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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    Bud, Boss- The issues lie with the parts. Is the barrel B-11595E steel? If not, made with what? Is the bolt MPI and HPT tested? Individually and not batch? Is it shot peened? Is the barrel HPT tested? Individually and not batch? How's the staking? Castle nut staked? Heavy buffer or carbine? The answers to these questions puts DD on top of Spikes. There have been several threads on this.
    Just out of curiosity, do you know the answers to these questions one way or another? I was just at Spike's yesterday for 6+ hours, and I think some of the answers might surprise you. They have come a long way from a company that bought whatever lowers were available, dropped DPMS parts kits in them, and topped them with RRA uppers.

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    Rob- I was posting them as questions to be considered and based on what I have read, I was of the opinion that, overall, the DD is a better rifle. I know the answers for the DD( thanks to you). Don't hold out. Many have been waiting for your trip and subsequent AAR. You know I have no prob. changing my opinion when the information changes. Spill it brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    Bud, Boss- The issues lie with the parts. Is the barrel B-11595E steel? If not, made with what? Is the bolt MPI and HPT tested? Individually and not batch? Is it shot peened? Is the barrel HPT tested? Individually and not batch? How's the staking? Castle nut staked? Heavy buffer or carbine? The answers to these questions puts DD on top of Spikes. There have been several threads on this.
    LOL, man no disrespect intended but do you have Spikes confused with someone else? Have you used or researched nothing about their weapons before posting this stuff?

    Barrel steel? 4150 CHF (same as DD)

    bolt MPI and HPT tested? MPI all, HPT batch, same as noveske

    bolt shot peened

    Not only is everything staked properly, it's outstanding

    Extremely popular ST-T2 heavy buffer included with all lowers, AND all uppers (carbine and mid)

    The ONLY thing DD has over Spikes is HPT every barrel. That's it my man. You are repeatedly posting complete nonsense around here. Please remember there are AR newbies that look to YOU experts for advice in these forums, and you are doing them an injustice by misleading them with this misguided crap.


    Here. Stop typing and READ something:

    http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum...ot-M4-LE-upper

    and this is their LOWEST spec upper (no CHF)
    Last edited by BudJr; 04-24-10 at 23:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BudJr View Post
    LOL, man no disrespect intended but do you have Spikes confused with someone else? Have you used or researched nothing about their weapons before posting this stuff?

    Barrel steel? 4150 CHF (same as DD)

    bolt MPI and HPT tested? MPI all, HPT batch, same as noveske

    bolt shot peened

    Not only is everything staked properly, it's outstanding

    Extremely popular ST-T2 heavy buffer included with all lowers, AND all uppers (carbine and mid)

    The ONLY thing DD has over Spikes is HPT every barrel. That's it my man. You are repeatedly posting complete nonsense around here. Please remember there are AR newbies that look to YOU experts for advice in these forums, and you are doing them an injustice by misleading them with this misguided crap.


    Here. Stop typing and READ something:

    http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum...ot-M4-LE-upper

    and this is their LOWEST spec upper (no CHF)
    I don't believe all of your information is correct based on my visit. You're not helping your cause, or your credibility, by putting out information you can't verify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONFINS View Post
    I think everyone has forgotten the specs here. DD has nice stuff, however they are typically made from a softer material than other companies in the same price range. Spikes lowers are made of 7075 T6 aluminum forging to mil-spec dimensions, where Daniel Defense is made from 6061 and has a Type III hardcoat anodized coating to make it appear as if the materials are of equal strength. Well they may be at first but as that coating wears off it will reveal a softer aluminum. I would go with spikes if I was planning on keeping it for myself, if I was going to sell it in the near future I would lean towards Daniel Defense. You'll find more internet rangers throwing good money at you for whatever Larry Vickers endorses.

    Where did you get his garbage information? DD uses 7075 T6 Aluminum.
    My brother saw Deliverance and bought a Bow. I saw Deliverance and bought an AR-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    Spill it brother.
    You know I will.

    I just didn't want this thread to take off down the same road the other one did, that's all. It's turning again into fanboys with half-baked incorrect information and detractors not really understanding the current lay of the land, neither of which is productive.

    All in good time my man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I don't believe all of your information is correct based on my visit.
    I guess there's a lot of that around here.

    Did you by any chance misread this........

    bolt MPI and HPT tested? MPI all, HPT batch, same as noveske
    Do they not MPI all and batch HPT test the bolt? They used to.

    You're not helping your cause, or your credibility, by putting out information you can't verify.
    I have no cause Rob. All I own is BCM, DD, and one of Spike's lowers. The post I was responding to is entirely out of wack. But I'M the one putting out wrong info? They must be doing things differently than they were a month ago then.
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    Wow. Seriously, buy what you like. It will cost FAR more in ammo to wear anything out or break anything on either of those rifles than the rifles cost themselves. Sorry, but when the rifles really are this close in quality and specs, you might just have to pick based on if you like a spider or not. Either rifle would suit you fine. I'd like to see where it made a difference if a lower was 6061 or 7075, or if a barrel was CHF or not. It's the Indian, not the bow or the arrow that gets the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenaline151 View Post
    It's the Indian, not the bow or the arrow that gets the job done.
    I know I'm going to regret this....

    Yes, of course it is, but this played-out phrase is getting aggravating, and gets used to justify buying garbage parts and guns all too often, and misses the fact that quality of gear does actually matter.

    Give an indian one of these and see how far he gets.

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    +1 definately.
    There's truth to what adrenaline151 is saying but if the discussion is quality/performance/price, etc, then nitpicking, so to speak, is not only justified but required.
    I see the same argument made in ammo performance discussions, where someone will bring up accuracy or training, which frankly aren't truely relevant in a purely performance-related ammo discussion.
    Last edited by BudJr; 04-24-10 at 23:33.

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