I don't know of any time I would pick Spikes over Daniel Defense.
Daniel Defense all the way.
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I don't know of any time I would pick Spikes over Daniel Defense.
Daniel Defense all the way.
"Buy once, cry once. Or not. Many of you will undoubtedly be zombies one day. I'd prefer if you were zombies with sub-par gear."
I'm sure someone will correct me on this, but I thought Spike's bought all their upper components from DD?
I have a Spike's ST-15 and I've been very happy with it as a plinker. I've never ran it hard, but I've also never cleaned it in 900 rounds.
Your information is incorrect: DD uses 7075
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=51750
Ironfins, I dont think that is correct. There was a thread around here last week or so mentioning the same thing (I cannot find the thread, but I know id had daniel defense in the title) and I believe it was the VP of DD postd that that WAS a typo, the do use 7075. As far as the anodizing, I do not know. But I don't think DD is cutting any corners when it comes to quality. I am not knocking Spikes, they also do quality stuff as well from what I hear, but I think DD is better personally.
As far as Vickers is concerened, if an SME is going to consult on any project/product and the company implementingit is willing to follow high quality standards and the outcome appears to be a quality product, more power to them. They invested $$$ to get it right.
Not being argumentitive, just giving my opinion.
Last edited by Falkon; 04-24-10 at 20:05.
How many of you who are bashing Spike's have actually owned one of their lowers?
I tried to fit a BCM upper and Vltor MUR upper to my Daniel Defense lower, and I would have needed an Accuwedge and KNS anti-walk pin it was so loose.
The MUR fit the Spike's lower perfectly. Just the right amount of resistance to push the pin out. And the vertical lines matched exactly.
Daniel Defense makes great barrels and rails, no doubt, but it's a lower receiver we're talking about. It has no moving parts until the lower parts kit is added. I like the flaring of DD's mag wells, but I do believe their anodizing needs some improvement.
Here's what I'd suggest.....
Spike's lower
LWRC, DD, or G&R lower parts kit
Daniel Defense or BCM hammer forged barrel
BCM upper receiver
Spike's nickel boron bolt carrier group & hammer, or Young Mfg. chrome BCG
Last edited by Boss Hogg; 04-24-10 at 20:10.
I'm not 'bashing' Spikes, never handled one. I think the OP was looking for a complete AR, not building.
This is true. With the modularity of the AR, I just don't see a compelling reason to buy a complete one unless it's going to save me a bunch of time and money. Then again, I've been at it a while and I'd try to get the best of breed (or max value) in all components.
Bottom line- Spike's is worth looking at, for sure. So is Daniel Defense.
I looked at Midway and a few other websites. Don't get me wrong I like their rails and some of their other features. However I grow tired of constantly getting a run around on what materials they use. I called them 6 months ago about a Carbine Burnsed Loop that was advertised on their website as "steel" when I called about LEO pricing I was told it was made from aluminum, so I ended up choosing TROY. Which had excellent customer service super fast shipping and what you see online is what you get, a get piece without any over-flashing or manufacturing marks. The Burnsed Loop was advertised on Brownell's as aluminum, it has now been changed on DD's website. I understand typos happen, but come on people, don't turn people off to a good company because your website manager doesn't have a clue. I really would like to see someone test a few samples and see if the lowers are really what they claim. It seems kinda of odd when a material question comes up twice...........I am not convenience, that's why I bought Spikes over Daniel Defense.
Bud, Boss- The issues lie with the parts. Is the barrel B-11595E steel? If not, made with what? Is the bolt MPI and HPT tested? Individually and not batch? Is it shot peened? Is the barrel HPT tested? Individually and not batch? How's the staking? Castle nut staked? Heavy buffer or carbine? The answers to these questions puts DD on top of Spikes. There have been several threads on this.
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