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    what do they need blanks for? (i know training) but seriously why cant they just get it from somewhere else, GET OUT OF OUR STOCK!!

    edit: you would think in today's society someone would decide producing ammo would be a great business venture and start making money. i mean seriously how many ammo companies are there and why dont they just increase production?

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    My suspicion is that the war is increasing the demand. I know even most USGI training ammo is coming in commercial packed.

    All of the real deal military ammo (on stripper clips, in boxes, in bandoleers, in a steel can, in a wire bound wooden crate) is going to the war. Everything CONUS for training is commercial packed.

    Most of the head stamps I have seen are WCC (Winchester) or LC (Federal - Lake City).

    Just think of the demand right now. Every unit going to the box is going to shoot a lot of training ammo. Then they will fire more training ammo in country as training sustainment. There will be some fired in actual combat. As NATO expands, our new allies and allies in waiting (can't quite join NATO - yet) are going to 5.56mm and in many cases we supply this ammo until they can get their national armories up to speed. Also, most armies have abandoned 7.62 MBRs for 5.56 assault rifles.

    Then you have the US market. The death of the AWB and the war have taken The Black Rifle to a new level for the civilian and LEO shooter. The M16 platform is the undisputed winner for non .mil users too. The demand for 5.56 is higher than it has ever been.

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    Angry This give me some idea what up.

    http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressRelease...Iraq_07-20.pdf

    Looks like OUR new Iraq army is needing to buy Ammo. And guess whos money they will use to buy it? Answer ours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner View Post
    Notice of Possible Foreign Military Sale

    Blow all Saddam's 7.62mmX39, arm new security forces with Colts (to be made in Turkey, instead of Hartford) and sell them 226,000,000 rounds of 5.56mm: domestic ammunition control. Machiavelli could not have done better!

    They already have the new rifles. (I think these are made by FN).




    Iraqi Army receives M-16 and M-4 rifles
    Blackanthem Military News ^ | May 11, 2007 | Sgt. 1st Class Nicholas Conner, 13th SC(E), LSA ANACONDA PAO


    Posted on 05/11/2007 6:44:12 PM PDT by mdittmar


    CAMP TAJI, Iraq – At the start of May, Iraqi Army recruits at the Regional Training Center here began receiving new M-16 and M-4 rifles.


    The Iraqi government made the decision to crossover from standard AK-47 assault rifles to the American rifles as part of the reshaping of their military and security forces.


    Under the program, Coalition Military Assistance Training Teams issue enlisted IA troops the M-16A4, while officers receive the M-4. With 200 basic training recruits per rotation, CMATT officials estimate that 1600 IA soldiers will receive the new weapons by the end of May.


    According to Lt. Col. Walter Easter, Military Transition Team commander and senior advisor to the RTC, the exchange is as much a symbol of the new IA as it is an upgrade to the individual soldier’s capabilities.


    “The M-16 has long been considered the world’s best rifle,” Easter said. “There’s a high percentage of [Iraqi Army recruits] who can shoot more accurately than we expected just because of the better weapon system that they have.”


    The weapon exchange is just the first step in a five-day program of instruction for the Iraqis. However, new rifles are not handed out in a one-for-one swap. Coalition Forces assign each IA recruit a weapon using a high-tech, biometric issue system.


    Verified against a master list and having tuned in his old rifle, the IA soldier and his new M-16 continue on to one of ten biometric stations, where he is finger printed, undergoes a digital retinal scan and is photographed with the M16’s serial number. Officials then transfer the information to a database in Baghdad, to ensure accountability and to prevent the weapon from ending up in the wrong hands.


    “We are very excited about it,” said a 9th Iraqi Army Division second lieutenant, whose name is withheld to protect his identity. “We have been hearing about getting the new weapons for some time and finally they are here.”


    U.S. Department of Defense civilian contractors provide hands-on instruction modeled after the same training American troops receive. Familiar box drills, sight picture training and live-fire weapon zeroing provide consistent and effective basic marksmanship skills.


    It does a number of things for the basic IA soldier, said George Conrad, an assistant team leader providing the primary marksmanship instruction. The better weapon system puts the IA forces in sync with coalition troops and it builds their confidence.


    Conrad said they have all seen change and new equipment at the higher echelons, but now, the soldier in the dirt has something new, something tangible, in his hands.


    “It’s a sign of hope that things are changing,” he said. “It’s something that needed to be done.”


    Easter said that training at the Taji RTC would continue at the company-size level, with program augmentation at Besimaya Range later this summer for IA battalions.

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    I wish uncle suger would give me free ammo and a free M-16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffhounddog View Post
    I wish uncle suger would give me free ammo and a free M-16.

    http://www.goarmy.com/flindex.jsp

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    Air Force Right now until Sept then I get out. Do not need the Army gig yet maybe go Guard but Active I am done at least my wife wants me to be done.

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    war

    its because of the war

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    dup post
    Last edited by Heavy Metal; 05-14-07 at 18:37. Reason: Duplicate

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    Quote Originally Posted by losbronces View Post
    Lets see, copper is over $3.70/lb right now compared to $0.80/lb in 2003. Thats an increase of over 460%. That effects brass and bullet prices. I guess we are fortunate that ammo prices haven't increased even more dramatically.
    No we are not, this cannot account for the majority of the cost increase.


    The raw materials cost does not even approach 50% of the cost of a case of 5.56. There may be 10 pounds of copper at most in a 100k case of 5.56. That makes $37 of copper in a case. The other 20 or so pounds are lead and powder. Copper is by far the most espensive raw material in the price.

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