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Thread: 223/5.56 Ammo. dryiny up quickly

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmike87 View Post
    Sort of related ... perhpas, anyway. But my Dad works at a stainless steel manufacturing facility and he says that the raw materials that they alloy with the steel have gone way up in price over the last year or two. So the prices of various raw metals does indeed seem to be increasing everywhere.
    A bunch of reasons that ammo is climbing, and 223 5.56 is leading the way. Copper is up, zinc is up, put those together and you get brass being up. Lead and tin are up and down, so they mfgs have to watch it.

    Now, beyond the raw material outlook, we have manufacturing capacity. Due to the brilliance of our government, we have one facility to make military small arms ammunition. This is a bottleneck, which is being relieved by .gov contracting with other ammuntion mfg's to take up the slack. They are, but if it is going to .gov, it ain't going to us. Ask Grant about how many mfg's wanted distributors at SHOT.

    Now beyond the fact we are in a shooting war, you have most large police organizations getting rid of the shotgun as a long arm and going to the AR platform, so yet another hole for the ammunition to go into that is not the open market.

    An answer for this would be for one of the mfg's to open a new plant just to roll 5.56, but they are not going to do this when there are so many political dangers that could kill the demand for this.
    1. We puss out of IRaq and A-stan and the extra mil contracts dry up.
    2. Congress passes another, more draconian AWB, ban AR 15 market is no longer growing.
    3. HIllary gets to be president and gets to appoint a Supreme Court Justice and the law that protects firearms industry against frivolous lawsuits ais challenged and overturned. Now they get sued 365 times a year.
    4. Police administrators love to cut training ammunition budgets, so all of a sudden the folks are shooting 10 rounds 2 times a year to qualify on the AR like they do the shotty now, instead of really training on it and burning up thousands of rounds.


    list could go on, but I am too tired.

    The price sucks, but it is not a huge conspriracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan_Bell View Post
    The price sucks, but it is not a huge conspriracy
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan_Bell View Post
    The price sucks, but it is not a huge conspriracy
    I agree. Good analysis as well.

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    I thought the Gov was opening another Ammo plant in Florida sometime in the next 2 years.

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    [QUOTE=Nathan_Bell;56099]
    4. Police administrators love to cut training ammunition budgets, so all of a sudden the folks are shooting 10 rounds 2 times a year to qualify on the AR like they do the shotty now...QUOTE]


    Uh... try 10 rounds ONCE a year.

    And you're right about the swing away from shotguns. We're doing the Patrol Rifle thing with the street guys, 20 rifles at a time.

    And now that The Word is out that those among the rest of the "real" deputies (the ones who do police, as opposed to civil, work... narcs, etc.) who don't WANT a shotgun can turn them in, we suddenly find ourselves with a growing stock of idle 870s. Don't blame them; I never liked shooting the damned things either.

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    [QUOTE=LSP972;56531]
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan_Bell View Post
    4. Police administrators love to cut training ammunition budgets, so all of a sudden the folks are shooting 10 rounds 2 times a year to qualify on the AR like they do the shotty now...QUOTE]


    Uh... try 10 rounds ONCE a year.

    And you're right about the swing away from shotguns. We're doing the Patrol Rifle thing with the street guys, 20 rifles at a time.

    And now that The Word is out that those among the rest of the "real" deputies (the ones who do police, as opposed to civil, work... narcs, etc.) who don't WANT a shotgun can turn them in, we suddenly find ourselves with a growing stock of idle 870s. Don't blame them; I never liked shooting the damned things either.

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    So where are all the police surplus shottys going?

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    I cannot speak for any other agency. We are converting some of ours into bean-bag guns (complete with freakin' ORANGE furniture); the rest are simply sitting in racks.

    If you're wondering about surplus sales, etc.... trust me; you do NOT want any of these guns.

    You can buy a NIB plain-vanilla 870P or Mossberg for around $300 if you look. That gets you a new weapon, as opposed to a used and abused weapon.

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    Exclamation Q3269 available!

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    Last edited by PALADIN-hgwt; 07-10-09 at 00:12. Reason: add warning

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    Do you have a link to the ammo I couldnt find it on their site?

    Thanks

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    link for Q3269

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