CA police chief call for open carry ban

[GermanSynergy]

I don't like or recommend open carry.

-but-

I don't like controls on it or laws that ban it even more.

Precisely. Not like this or any other gun ban sceme will stop violent felons from doing whatever they want.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I've got a solution to the problem for Chief James; CCW for all non felon citizens.

[OTO27]

I agree with the fact that it is an officer/citizen safety issue. Lets say "officer" comes across Mr. dumy who is excercising his right to open carry, sure he is following the law by maintining an unloaded firearm. The officer in the other hand has no way of confirming this until he makes physical contact with the weapon. Officer tells Mr dumy dont reach for your weapon, Mr dumy says "oh its not loaded" as he reaches for it, Officer does what every peace officer is trained from day one in the academy, draws down on Mr. dummy and yells drop the weapon, MR. dumy is stuborned because he knows hes done nothing wrong since his weapon is unloaded and refuses to drop it. Officer fears for his life nad assumes Mr. dummy is a threat to his life. Officer shoots Mr. dummy... well you all get the picture.

[Iraqgunz]

Are you for real? Every time I read one of your posts I cringe. You seem to think that only LE are worthy of carrying and having firearms.

If you are stupid enough to reach for your firearm when approached by LE (for any reason) then you shouldn't be carrying. Common sense will dictate that you allow the officer to "investigate".

You need to give the average citizens who are also gun owners a little more credit than you have been. There are plenty of smart non-LE types out there.

I agree with the fact that it is an officer/citizen safety issue. Lets say "officer" comes across Mr. dumy who is excercising his right to open carry, sure he is following the law by maintining an unloaded firearm. The officer in the other hand has no way of confirming this until he makes physical contact with the weapon. Officer tells Mr dumy dont reach for your weapon, Mr dumy says "oh its not loaded" as he reaches for it, Officer does what every peace officer is trained from day one in the academy, draws down on Mr. dummy and yells drop the weapon, MR. dumy is stuborned because he knows hes done nothing wrong since his weapon is unloaded and refuses to drop it. Officer fears for his life nad assumes Mr. dummy is a threat to his life. Officer shoots Mr. dummy... well you all get the picture.

[OTO27]

Are you for real? Every time I read one of your posts I cringe. You seem to think that only LE are worthy of carrying and having firearms.

If you are stupid enough to reach for your firearm when approached by LE (for any reason) then you shouldn't be carrying. Common sense will dictate that you allow the officer to "investigate".

You need to give the average citizens who are also gun owners a little more credit than you have been. There are plenty of smart non-LE types out there.

remember, common sense is not so common. I know most of us in this forum, wether you are LE or not have their minds in the right place when it comes to firearms, thats why we come here to self improve our knowledge collectively. I personally have come across some very "stupid" people who carry openly a fireamr and are "stupid" enough to reach for it in my precense. Their defense is "I was just going to hand it to you" Usually when they see a barrel pointed at their direction they tend to stop reaching, but does it really need to get to that level. The point is **some** people, not all, need to be educated on some basic common sense things when it involves firearms and contact with police. This is why I am a big fan of CHLs. Every person I have come across with a CHL has done what they were trained to do when a police officer aproaches them, no chl holder has gotten hurt in my precense yet.

People seem to think that LEOs are these people that feel only they should carry and no one else, and the constitution only aplies to them. Let me go ahead and let you know that I as LE had to give up many of the rights that most of you citizens have in order to protect and serve. For example, the right to carry what ever firearm of your choosing. I can now only carry a fireamr aproved by the department, including when off duty.

[Iraqgunz]

Well your CHL/CCW argument really doesn't hold water. In Washington State there is not training requirement at all to get a CCW. You simply pay the fee and submit the paperwork. How often do we hear about police shooting citizens because they didn't follow procedures? IIRC, Oregon also does not require any test or demonstrated ability.

Alaska and Vermont also have no CCW requirenment and people aren't being shot by the police on a daily basis.

Also, I am a big fan of Darwinism. If you are stupid enough not to heed the officers instructions when he says "stop" or "don't make any sudden moves" while you are armed then so be it.

remember, common sense is not so common. I know most of us in this forum, wether you are LE or not have their minds in the right place when it comes to firearms, thats why we come here to self improve our knowledge collectively. I personally have come across some very "stupid" people who carry openly a fireamr and are "stupid" enough to reach for it in my precense. Their defense is "I was just going to hand it to you" Usually when they see a barrel pointed at their direction they tend to stop reaching, but does it really need to get to that level. The point is **some** people, not all, need to be educated on some basic common sense things when it involves firearms and contact with police. This is why I am a big fan of CHLs. Every person I have come across with a CHL has done what they were trained to do when a police officer aproaches them, no chl holder has gotten hurt in my precense yet.

People seem to think that LEOs are these people that feel only they should carry and no one else, and the constitution only aplies to them. Let me go ahead and let you know that I as LE had to give up many of the rights that most of you citizens have in order to protect and serve. For example, the right to carry what ever firearm of your choosing. I can now only carry a fireamr aproved by the department, including when off duty.

[perna]

From the article it is hard to tell if he is against concealed carry, he might fully support it. Personally, I do not think people exercising their right to open carry unloaded is going to help anything, and just seems to be hurting them. I really do not see anything positive about living in that state, I honestly have no desire to ever even visit it.

[mnagant762]

Yeah there is no training or quals here in PA either, just pass the background check and pay up.

[Magic_Salad0892]

CA, my former state of residence.

I hate the Peoples' Republik.

[Littlelebowski]

People seem to think that LEOs are these people that feel only they should carry and no one else, and the constitution only aplies to them. Let me go ahead and let you know that I as LE had to give up many of the rights that most of you citizens have in order to protect and serve. For example, the right to carry what ever firearm of your choosing. I can now only carry a fireamr aproved by the department, including when off duty.

Boo freaking hoo. Don't ever join the military.