Illegal Castoffs

[CyberM4]

Nice too see Arizona doing what it needs to defend herself. Why do we as a people need to take care of Mexico's castoffs. We don't need to feed cloth and give them free Medicine. Let Mexico deal with them.

[obucina]

I heard that the protests at the state capitol were a bit on the violent side...and there will be some vandalism charges. Someone smeared a swastika on a window with refried beans...

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

It is those McVeigh wanna-be right wing terrorists at the Tea Parties that we have to keep an eye on

Lefties tear stuff up all the time and no one says a word.

[TOrrock]

This is a preemptive warning to keep the thread clean. Start in with the racial slurs and this gets locked and trashed and accounts get locked.

[obucina]

Templar,

I hope my comment didnt appear to be bigoted..

but, here is the link.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...ndalism_042610

[TOrrock]

Templar,

I hope my comment didnt appear to be bigoted..

but, here is the link.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...ndalism_042610

No, you're fine.

We had to lock and trash the other thread that was started about the new AZ law (which I fully support). Emotions ride high on this stuff.

[Mac5.56]

There wouldn't be illegal immigration in this country if there weren't corrupt citizens of this nation that are willing to break the law by hiring illegals for the purpose of making a profit. Until this is addressed illegal immigration wont go away.

I find it hard to discriminate against a nationality especially considering that in all honesty if I had to pick between a mexican immigrant and an average college kid to go out on a labor call to say, re-build a basement to a house (something I have done) I would pick the mexican every time based purely on work ethic. The hardest working people I have ever met are usually immigrants.

This is a very pro-capitalist forum, and pro free market. I don't understand the contradiction that comes up when looking at the simple fact that capitalism encourages the hiring of individuals who can do the most amount of work for the least amount of pay. That is the free market! Even if we made a law that got rid of ALL illegal immigrants in the country, and only allowed legal immigrants to work jobs, and even if it was strictly enforced 100% in some idealistic wonderland, you would still see immigrants taking up most of the lower tier jobs in this country and they would continue to workmore productively then the typical US citizen for the minimum amount of pay!

Am I a proponent of illegal immigration? Nope. Do I think the movement against it and current immigration laws are basically racist at their core? Yep I do. They refuse to address the problem at its core, and focus on blaming the individual trying to make a buck, rather then the system that encourages it. But that's my opinion and I will allow you to now go crazy on me about how I am a some kind of insane leftist for seeing the complexity of the situation for what it is.

Also getting rid of illegal immigrants wont get rid of crime, or gang violence. Pipe dreams are just that and nothing more.

[rickrock305]

Someone smeared a swastika on a window with refried beans...

its messed up, but thats pretty funny. just the ridiculousness of it.

[Belmont31R]

There wouldn't be illegal immigration in this country if there weren't corrupt citizens of this nation that are willing to break the law by hiring illegals for the purpose of making a profit. Until this is addressed illegal immigration wont go away.

I find it hard to discriminate against a nationality especially considering that in all honesty if I had to pick between a mexican immigrant and an average college kid to go out on a labor call to say, re-build a basement to a house (something I have done) I would pick the mexican every time based purely on work ethic. The hardest working people I have ever met are usually immigrants.

This is a very pro-capitalist forum, and pro free market. I don't understand the contradiction that comes up when looking at the simple fact that capitalism encourages the hiring of individuals who can do the most amount of work for the least amount of pay. That is the free market! Even if we made a law that got rid of ALL illegal immigrants in the country, and only allowed legal immigrants to work jobs, and even if it was strictly enforced 100% in some idealistic wonderland, you would still see immigrants taking up most of the lower tier jobs in this country and they would continue to workmore productively then the typical US citizen for the minimum amount of pay!

Am I a proponent of illegal immigration? Nope. Do I think the movement against it and current immigration laws are basically racist at their core? Yep I do. They refuse to address the problem at its core, and focus on blaming the individual trying to make a buck, rather then the system that encourages it. But that's my opinion and I will allow you to now go crazy on me about how I am a some kind of insane leftist for seeing the complexity of the situation for what it is.

Also getting rid of illegal immigrants wont get rid of crime, or gang violence. Pipe dreams are just that and nothing more.

Yeah capitalism and all that but the situation gets mighty foggy when you have 3rd world nationals working under the table for Joe contractor at five bucks an hour. What American could work for 5 bucks an hour, and even feed themselves, keep themselves clothed, a solid roof over their head, reliable transportaion (if they dont have that Joe fires them).


If you want to pay 3rd world wages then you'll never see 99.999% of Americans wanting to do the work because you can live in 1st world standards at the pay you want to give out.


See this is how unions got started, and all this organized labor bullshit. The factory owners came up with the idea of paying their employees slave wages, and then wondered why no one wanted to show up for work. Why little kids were slaving away in factories instead of going to school, and being a kid. That BS gave rise to the other BS of unions because people didn't do the right thing in the 1st place, and then people wonder why so many today have the entitlement mentality. At my point in life I wouldn't even accept a job at anything less than 15-20 hour because at much less Im paying the babysitter more than Im making to go to work in the 1st place. But you can go pay the Mexicans less than minimum wage to do the work, and then they cram themselves 20 to a house or apartment, and become leeches on society soaking up tax dollars. You wouldn't have to be taxed as much if illegals were not costing the states tens/hundreds of billions a year.



I think businesses that hire illegals should be fined 100k per illegal they hire if they have over 50 employees total. Less than 50 they get 25k a pop. 2nd offense loss of business license for 1 year. 3rd offense permanent.



Just think if we didn't have illegals here there would be a job out there for every unemployed American right now, and new houses wouldn't be built like shit thrown up in a week.

[Mac5.56]

Yeah capitalism and all that but the situation gets mighty foggy when you have 3rd world nationals working under the table for Joe contractor at five bucks an hour. What American could work for 5 bucks an hour, and even feed themselves, keep themselves clothed, a solid roof over their head, reliable transportaion (if they dont have that Joe fires them).

I hear what your saying, but I also have to say it isn't true. When ICE started doing their raids on farming communities, several orchards out East, and out West (my fiance's father has a cherry farm in Oregon, I live in Apple country. The pickers on his farm are my future in laws and no-one else so don't go there) had a really hard time finding pickers. There were three orchards here that half way into the season couldn't get a work force of pickers at 10 dollars an hour cash. In an area full of college kids.

Why? Because Americans think they're too good for jobs like that.

If I had an offer for a ten dollar an hour job ON THE BOOKS in college that consisted of working outside all day, I would have jumped on it in a heart beat.

It's not that American's aren't willing to do it for the pay, it's that most Americans feel they are entitled to not have to do shit when it comes to making money.

To solve the problem that your talking about, you would also have to have massive government regulation of wages in order to insure that people like yourself are capable of both paying for a babysitter, and doing the job that was vacated when the illegals were kicked out. And, government regulation is something that is an absolute NO NO, right??? It's Socialism right???