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    So My Wife Wants an M4

    She has made it clear that this is what she wants as her firearm. She is familiar, experienced and comfortable with it. And it's the right size for her small frame.
    I disagree with her on it for a lot of reasons, but I want her to have access to her own weapon and this is what she wants.

    So, to sort of compromise on this, who makes a .30 Cal M4?

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    What is wrong with a 5.56 "M4"?

    My recommendation would be a BCM with the midlength gas system. I bought one last year on the advice of others on this forum and it has been a great carbine.
    "The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." John Steinbeck

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    Why a .30cal?

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    ???

    5.56 w/ 62g loads is working OK for our armed forces in extremely violent urban combat...75g TAP would be a lot better and easy to get for civilian use. Or...get her a 6.8. I'd be really psyched if my wife wanted an M4, I want her to want one...and will probably build her one whether she wants it or not!

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    Because neither of us considers it to be a plinking gun. It will not be treated as any kind of toy. We're not looking to make it look cool and show it off or do any kind of special tricks with it.
    If it gets used for anything other than basic range practice it needs real knockdown because lives are on the line. 5.56 don't do it.

    I tried to point her toward weapons I think are better for that job; she likes this one. So I want to put together the best one I can for her.

    This seems to be the place to get the information most easily so I can do just that.

    Quote Originally Posted by strambo View Post
    ???

    5.56 w/ 62g loads is working OK for our armed forces in extremely violent urban combat...
    She and I are both members of said forces. It's why we don't like the 5.56 or the 9mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    She and I are both members of said forces. It's why we don't like the 5.56 or the 9mm
    Wow...

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    I agree with you on the 9mm, I opted for .357SIG to carry on duty. Now, as far as the 5.56 goes, yes there are better calibers out there suited for home defense. Thats not to say that the right ammo in 5.56 wont do the job just as good though. If I had a choice I would carry 6.8 on duty, but my dept only allows 5.56. I trust my life to this ammo and feel confident it will do the job. Plus availability is another thing you need to consider. Remember its round placement that counts and to keep proficient you should visit the range at least once a month, this can get expencive with higher cals.
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    So...you should probably read all the stickies provided here. http://m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=91

    Then realize that the amount and quality of your wife's training will have a bazillion times more impact on her ability to survive a gunfight than a few fractions of an inch of bullet diameter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    We're not looking to make it look cool and show it off or do any kind of special tricks with it.
    What constitutes making it cool for showing off and special tricks? If you mean you don't want to add a rail or fancy stock, fine...rock on.

    So, I'll give you a great quote for the road.
    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    ...just recommend BCM carbines and Glock pistols, regardless of anything...Always the right call.
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    When it comes to the guy in our house despite the dogs and the alarm system, I want a round that will put him down regardless where it hits. In a high-stress situation, shot placement suffers. That and I'm worried about said person being a drug user (lots of meth in my area). It has to overpower his high and drop him anyway. Which is why I spend the extra money for a .45 for my duty pistol for my Constable duties.
    Well, that and neither of us is a real good shot, anyway. We need a forgiving round even before the other considerations kick in.

    Edit: I'm working through them Thopkins. There's a lot of info there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    Because neither of us considers it to be a plinking gun. It will not be treated as any kind of toy. We're not looking to make it look cool and show it off or do any kind of special tricks with it.
    If it gets used for anything other than basic range practice it needs real knockdown because lives are on the line. 5.56 don't do it.

    I tried to point her toward weapons I think are better for that job; she likes this one. So I want to put together the best one I can for her.

    This seems to be the place to get the information most easily so I can do just that.


    She and I are both members of said forces. It's why we don't like the 5.56 or the 9mm
    Comparing what a Civilian can use for 5.56N and 9mm to what a person in the military can use is like comparing apples and oranges, right? Given that the military is limited to FMJ's given the Geneva Convention ban against Hollow Point type ammo, a civilian is not limited to that.

    If she feels comfortable shooting it, shoots it well, and is accurate you should let her get it. Remember Larry Vickers motto "Speed is Fine. Accuracy is Final."

    Having all the best SD weapon, with the best SD loads means squat if you can't hit the target you are aiming at.

    Not trying to tell you otherwise, but look at what DocGKR had to say about the .30 Cal round. Remember, this is ballistic info and if you have questions about ballistics, he is the man to see, just pointing you to the right area.

    His write up on 5.56N Duty Loadsloads is here.

    Great luck in your search.

    Also, since you say that neither of you are great shots, hit the range and do both of you a favor and take some classes.
    Last edited by BVickery; 04-29-10 at 01:16.

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