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    Quote Originally Posted by irishluck73 View Post
    Short Barrel Rifle - Less than 16" barrel. Requires ATF tax stamp for Joe Citizens.
    Thank you.
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    SBR= short barrel rifle. You pay Uncle Sam $200 for the privilege of being able to own a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16" (rifle) or 18" (shotgun)

    Training, training, training. Then more training.
    Yes. I know. God, I know. One benefit of having our own weapons is being Able to train. I already shoot my .45 better than my M16. In another few months, I'll have put more shots through my .45 than through every M16 I've ever held combined. I expect that to hold true when I get my own rifle, too.
    No, I meant you need to go seek out training with a suitably qualified instructor. If you can train with people like Larry Vickers or Pat Rogers, so much the better.

    The instructor will bring out your weaknesses and help you work on them. Then, you go back to your regular practice sessions and use the drills and skills to continue your training.
    Last edited by Avenger29; 04-29-10 at 02:29.
    I'm no expert, but I took my CCW course at a Holiday Inn Express

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    I invite you to step in front of my 5.56 rifle at 100 yds. You won't survive....

    But since you insist on a bigger round, just buy this upper

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...g-ar-15-upper/
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    Quote Originally Posted by payj View Post
    But since you insist on a bigger round, just buy this upper

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...g-ar-15-upper/
    I might use it, but it's just plain too much for my wife.
    That's just made of awesome, though.
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    In regards to the whole 9mm vs. .45 ACP Doc sums it up best:

    As is quite obvious from the photo above, NONE of the common service pistol calibers generate temporary cavities of sufficient magnitude to cause significant tissue damage. Anyone interested in this topic should read and periodically re-read, “Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness” by Urey Patrick of the FBI FTU, as this remains the single best discussion of the wound ballistic requirements of handguns used for self-defense -- it is available at: http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm .
    and then ends with:

    Keeping in mind that handguns generally offer poor incapacitation potential, bullets with effective terminal performance are available in all of the most commonly used duty pistol calibers—pick the one that you shoot most accurately, that is most reliable in the type of pistol you choose, and best suits you likely engagement scenarios.
    (bold was his emphasis on this paragraph, not mine)


    As far as what is ideal, at the end he actually said, given his life experience, he would prefer the the AR. It was in his Home Defense Long Gun thread (never read it before, but because of this find found this little gem).

    Also one thing one needs to remember is where you are shooting. One thing I have to factor in is my neighbors and stray shots going through. Given the weapons, the 5.56N is better suited to my needs since even though I have a CCW, live in a stand your ground state, I am still legally, and also feel morally, responsible for every round I send down range.

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    The only person I ever saw in combat survive a good COM shot with a rifle round was hit with a 7.62x51 out of an Abrams coax. The round entered the bottom of his right shoulder blade (scapula?) and exited his left nipple. We found him 30 minutes after he was shot and he survived.

    I dont use this story to say the 7.62 isnt any good, I love the round. I use it to show that no round is the "magic bullet". Some people are just plain hard to kill.

    Dont expect the 7.62 to make up for the lack of good shot placement, I can tell you from experience it wont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    When it comes to the guy in our house despite the dogs and the alarm system, I want a round that will put him down regardless where it hits.
    Here you go:



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Cr...nuclear_device)

    The absolutely ONLY weapon that will put him down regardless where it hits.

    If I were you, I'd question each and every one of your assumptions, vis-a-vis self defense weapons. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    I want a round that will put him down regardless where it hits....
    ...Well, that and neither of us is a real good shot, anyway. We need a forgiving round even before the other considerations kick in.
    There's no such thing... you have no idea what you're talking about.

    You mentioned you both being in the military as your reason for not liking the 5.56 or 9mm. What is your MOS, and how has it demonstrated the inadequacy of the 5.56 or 9mm?

    Sounds to me like you are too lazy to train harder and want a magic bullet to, somehow, make up for that failure on your part.

    The closest practical round to what you are describing is 00 Buck , and even then training is required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    To quote another user.

    ''I've never seen somebody survive a shot from a 9mm that a .45, or .40 would have killed them. On the other hand, I've also never seen somebody die from a .45 or .40 where a 9mm wouldn't have gotten the job done either.''
    Just read that the other night for the first time myself. Good article.

    My wife and I both served as well. She is VERY happy with her BCM lightweight midlength upper. Yours would be as well. 5.56 isn't a end-all be-all cartridge, but it works well. We used that over seas, I currently run it now as a duty weapon, and she trusts it to protect our home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVickery View Post

    Having all the best SD weapon, with the best SD loads means squat if you can't hit the target you are aiming at.
    ...under an elevated heart rate while someone is trying to kill you...

    I agree. No matter the caliber, I don't want to be on the business end of any weapon if someone is a good shot under these conditions. On this same note research what round most people are put to death with in self defense situations than any other round in the United States.

    Scott
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