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    As a former 11B for several years, and with years of competitive shooting under my belt, I can attest to the fact that we were not trained adequately enough to be thoroughly familiar with the M16 platforms or how to employ them. We all had to figure it out for ourselves, or from senior NCOs ,until we got a little seasoning. In my first Carbine course from a top tier 1 instructor, he demanded damn near surgical accuracy, even while shooting on the move. I was way ahead of the game as far as others in the class, but the things that were taught, was FAR more ahead of what I learned as an 11B with both carbine and pistol. It was a complete eye opener. Life saving skills on how to shoot, manipulations, malfunction clearance and employment, that every service member and civi AR owner should know, but were never taught. That training completely changed my opinion as far as what I thought I knew.

    As far as on shot stopping power and all of that, there is no such thing. Shot placement is much more important than caliber of the weapon. Recognize that you may have ingrained "training scars", from what you learned in the military. You need to concede the fact that both you and the mrs, need quality training from a competent instructor, to help diagnose the issues you have, making you a more accurate shooter faster, then practice what you learn, and do it often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    When it comes to the guy in our house despite the dogs and the alarm system, I want a round that will put him down regardless where it hits. In a high-stress situation, shot placement suffers. That and I'm worried about said person being a drug user (lots of meth in my area). It has to overpower his high and drop him anyway. Which is why I spend the extra money for a .45 for my duty pistol for my Constable duties.
    Well, that and neither of us is a real good shot, anyway. We need a forgiving round even before the other considerations kick in.

    Edit: I'm working through them Thopkins. There's a lot of info there.
    Quote Originally Posted by graffex View Post
    Hate to be the one to break it to you but .45/.308 isn't going to do anything magical that a .9mm/5.56mm won't do. The .45/.308 isn't guaranteed to drop anyone, any differently either
    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    Every time I hear or read that, I think about 1908. But whatever. History could be wrong.
    Sounds like the old time thinking that hitting someone in the hand with a .45 he will surely go down...

    Like everyone said, shot placement is paramount

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    re: Shot placement?

    Story of a guy recently hit in the arm with an 8mm rifle round. Note the comparison between a 5.56 and an 8mm cartridge.

    http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a...61/m/479105456

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q-1 View Post
    There's no such thing... you have no idea what you're talking about.

    You mentioned you both being in the military as your reason for not liking the 5.56 or 9mm. What is your MOS, and how has it demonstrated the inadequacy of the 5.56 or 9mm?

    Sounds to me like you are too lazy to train harder and want a magic bullet to, somehow, make up for that failure on your part.

    The closest practical round to what you are describing is 00 Buck , and even then training is required.

    Agreed. 00buck is the way to go for your situation.


    And since you (Taran) said both of you are not good at shooting, with the shotty you will have multiple projectiles going out for a higher chance of a hit even if you shot is slightly off...Not to be hard on you, but the fact you don't know how to shoot very well and are in "the field" kind of makes me . If you shoot me in the hand with a 9mm it will hurt like a bitch, shoot me in the hand with a .45 it will hurt like a bitch. In both situations Im getting away. Shoot me in the chest with either and I will be down. It's about shot placement. If you got a meth head you want to donate to test my example I will show you. Place him roughly 15 feet away, I will put a WELL placed shot of 9mm +p in his chest area. If he keeps running after me demanding money for more meth I will give you $100
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    build her as lightweight of a build as you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen View Post
    build her as lightweight of a build as you can

    Based on what I have read os far, annoying caliber arguments notwithstanding, I would rather she build it.

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    mmm...
    You know what? Never mind. The heretic shall now move on.
    "P" = Plenty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    mmm...
    You know what? Never mind. The heretic shall now move on.
    A bit mellow dramatic . Just because some are telling you a different answer than what you want, does not mean that it is the wrong answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    mmm...
    You know what? Never mind. The heretic shall now move on.
    Ah yes. The ever popular "little bitch" response.

    Do yourself a favor and hang around, reading some more posts.

    Seriously, I was in 20+ years, and made every opportunity to train, put rounds downrange, with every system every Army I came close to used as their primary weapon. That was before I came here, all full of shit, and learned a thing or two about the M4 Carbine.

    I learned that most of my suppositions and bullshit I thought I knew from my "long and storied service" was just that; bullshit.

    Surprisingly, I still learn something just about every day on this forum. It's freaking amazing how much knowledge, real no shit knowledge about the M4 carbine is located right here. Don't worry though, this forum has seen you before, in about 10,000 different incarnations. One of which was me, btw.

    Stick around and learn something, why dontcha?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post

    So, to sort of compromise on this, who makes a .30 Cal M4?
    Remington makes a 30 REM AR caliber hunting rifle but it is probably not what you are looking for.



    Colt used to make an M4 in 7.62x39, but I don't know about their reliability in that cartridge.



    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=166272943

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