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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    She has made it clear that this is what she wants as her firearm. She is familiar, experienced and comfortable with it. And it's the right size for her small frame.
    I disagree with her on it for a lot of reasons, but I want her to have access to her own weapon and this is what she wants.

    So, to sort of compromise on this, who makes a .30 Cal M4?
    Taran, does she want a 30 cal or do you want it for her?
    there is a difference. I had never been around firearms until
    I met Joe.
    he taught me the basics, and let me try everything he had.
    I am small as well, 5'4.5" 103 lbs.
    I have fired some 7.62 rifles and do not enjoy it. I can however
    handle a 5.56 rifle with NO problems.
    Speaking from my own experience, if you make her shoot something
    she doesn't enjoy she won't shoot it enough to do any good.

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    OP stay and learn. Ill tell you that I wasnt always a 5.56 fan. When I first joined the Army while in highschool I even said we should all carry 7mm Rem Mags. Because I thought that it would drop a man not matter what.

    But I was very wrong. People are surprisingly fragile and tough at the same time. If you dont stop something VITAL to immediate survival, there is no garauntee that it will work right away, no matter what you shoot them with.

    In 2003 during the Iraq invasion my friend who was a Brad gunner engaged an Iraqi gun truck. Thats the fancy term for a Toyota with a machine gun mounted in the back.

    he switched the 25mm over to HE. But the gun system always has one round left over when you switch, so the round "in the chamber" was a DU.

    The round hit the truck in the grill and completely penetrated the truck and the two guys on the driver side.

    The driver was acually able to crawl out of the vehicle, despite being nearly ripped in half at the stomach, before he died next to the truck.

    If a guy was able to survive that wound for a bit of time, dont think any rifle you can shoulder is going to "drop them" no matter what.

    My friends roomate recently shot herself with a .45 in the chest during a drunken argument with her boyfriend on St Pattys day. Round entered her sternum and exited her back near her left armpit. She was up and walking at the hospital 3 days later and was released within 3 weeks. Missed her heart by less than an inch and partially deflated her left lung.

    Again, bigger bullets dont make up very much for bad shot placement.
    Last edited by C-grunt; 04-29-10 at 17:13. Reason: spelling

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    OP, Put your ego in check and stay, learn, and make an educated decision. Just because you serve (I salute all who do) doesn't mean you know anything about terminal ballistics or gunfighting. I tend to think you really don't know a whole lot about the system if you have to ask who makes a .30 caliber AR. Your assumptions about what works vs. how and what doesn't is very dated and not based on real world shootings. Check your ego at the door and read a bit. welcome to the site.
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    What is wrong with 5.56?

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    You understand there is nothing wrong with 5.56, The round is a goood round. It is all about shot location. What round is the biggest killer in the states?,,,,,,,,
    22 cal.
    It is all about where your shot placement is. You have to hit whatever your target is in the vitals for you to incapacitate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVickery View Post
    Given that the military is limited to FMJ's given the Geneva Convention ban against Hollow Point type ammo, a civilian is not limited to that.
    What you are referring to is the The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III.

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp

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    Lots of folks carry .22s

    ...Yep, 22 cal. imagine that...

    I have seen many a hog shot in the head with an 8mm, 44 brush gun or 444 only to run for quite a way before dropping...I know a fella who used to raise hogs and always put them down with a .25 cal. He knew exactly where to place the shot.

    What is the maximum distance a person can be away from you and strike giving you no time to react? The answer was quite shocking to me. Proper training is most important and sometimes a lot harder to find than the weapon and ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taran View Post
    Because neither of us considers it to be a plinking gun. It will not be treated as any kind of toy. We're not looking to make it look cool and show it off or do any kind of special tricks with it.
    If it gets used for anything other than basic range practice it needs real knockdown because lives are on the line. 5.56 don't do it.

    I tried to point her toward weapons I think are better for that job; she likes this one. So I want to put together the best one I can for her.

    This seems to be the place to get the information most easily so I can do just that.


    She and I are both members of said forces. It's why we don't like the 5.56 or the 9mm
    Not sure what branch in said forces your in. But in my branch we were taught to hit center mast properly, and those rounds do just fine when you do your part.

    So if anyone here has put rounds on target and has beef with that I'd love to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-grunt View Post
    OP stay and learn. Ill tell you that I wasnt always a 5.56 fan. When I first joined the Army while in highschool I even said we should all carry 7mm Rem Mags. Because I thought that it would drop a man not matter what.

    But I was very wrong. People are surprisingly fragile and tough at the same time. If you dont stop something VITAL to immediate survival, there is no garauntee that it will work right away, no matter what you shoot them with.

    In 2003 during the Iraq invasion my friend who was a Brad gunner engaged an Iraqi gun truck. Thats the fancy term for a Toyota with a machine gun mounted in the back.

    he switched the 25mm over to HE. But the gun system always has one round left over when you switch, so the round "in the chamber" was a DU.

    The round hit the truck in the grill and completely penetrated the truck and the two guys on the driver side.

    The driver was acually able to crawl out of the vehicle, despite being nearly ripped in half at the stomach, before he died next to the truck.

    If a guy was able to survive that wound for a bit of time, dont think any rifle you can shoulder is going to "drop them" no matter what.

    My friends roomate recently shot herself with a .45 in the chest during a drunken argument with her boyfriend on St Pattys day. Round entered her sternum and exited her back near her left armpit. She was up and walking at the hospital 3 days later and was released within 3 weeks. Missed her heart by less than an inch and partially deflated her left lung.

    Again, bigger bullets dont make up very much for bad shot placement.
    oh and the fancy name for a "gun truck" is a technical by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy View Post
    What you are referring to is the The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III.

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp
    Thanks for the clearification

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