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    Quote Originally Posted by mike240 View Post
    I have seen malfunctions occur with certain ARs running certain mags. I think this is due to some slight varying in tolerances of front to rear in the mag well allowing some mags to move fore and aft, tolerances in the mags themselves etc. I use the mag as support. I do not teach to do it or not to do it. I present both and stress the need to "proof" your deployment gear prior to putting it into service. Toss out any mags that cause stoppages when using the technique. Make sure your combination of lower receiver and magazines work. Just like tactics being subjective based on an individual's skill set, shooting techniques need to be adjusted to best suit the individual.
    Yeah I could see malfs occur with out of spec mag wells, like if the magazine has way more play than it should while locked in the mag well. When I was shooting in this position last week (b/c the bench was too high for me to use the bipod), I was really leaning into the gun and shoving the magazine into the edge of the bench pretty hard in order to get as much stability as possible, and it worked very well. But I was actually wondering before I fired the first shot whether or not it might induce a malfunction. It didn't. The lower receiver is a Larue Tactical billet lower.
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    As others have mentioned, I do believe that it stemmed from old school doctrine and still persists in many instructors. By old school, meaning that I did see a lot of malfunctions induced in the old USGI black follower mags. However with the advent of the green anti-tilts and other mag designs, this issue, well became not an issue. However it was so indoctrinated in trainers teaching trainers that it persists even to this day.

    I remember at an NRALE course (for recertification) only about 4 years ago and this was still being taught as being taboo by the instructors. I will say that the instructors did say that if you are back in 3 years for re-certs many different techniques may evolve or change, so credit for saying that. It is often mentioned by the instructors (especially progressive minded trainers) in many other schools that I have attended that they acknowledge that what you learned 2 years ago, may not be the same today. Techniques, gear, weapons and accessories change, improve or are refined over time, so teaching methodology should adapt accordingly. As an instructor / trainer, this is also a point that I like to make to my students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAP View Post
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    Yes, it is.

    ~200 or so rounds today fed from these while on the deck today. Nothing observed other than some extra stability. Notice abrasions at the bottom rear and the slight rounding of the edge there.

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    There was plenty of good logic behind advising to avoid the practice. Mass produced and over-used magazines, coupled with the rifles in the same condition could cause unreliability with the magazine being jostled during use as a monopod.

    Has that changed? Perhaps. Even in the military, parts are better selected now, and of higher quality. Things fit better, and the weapon system has been massaged a bit over time, as we all know.

    On the civilian side of things, there has been a massive change.

    If it's working, it's working.

    In the past, I have seen the practice help induce malfunctions, but things were old, and they weren't as nice as they are today. As well, the malfunctions I noted weren't on carbines, they were on rifles.

    I haven't experimented enough to see things one way or another, anymore. Things aren't very simple now. I had a nice bit of time in the good old fashioned Army. Then, one day, everything started being turned on it's head. The whole system was shaken down for it's lunch money.

    If it works, it will be allowed during basic training eventually. I'm not sure what they are doing there now. Proper training, however, is worlds different from what it used to be. Everything is in a constant state of invention and development now.

    Practices are changing on a daily basis as new things are learned. Thank God for that. An average Joe now has more ability to function than superior units have had in the past.

    Things are just plain better now. Some things, I don't like, but they have little to do with actual training. I'll give it a whirl on a more daily basis to see what I think about using a mag as a monopod. I'm using Magpuls almost exclusively now, but I've still got a stack of old fashioned mags laying about.

    I'll try it for a while. Some of the things mentioned around here, I don't like at all. This, however, has some merit. If it turns out to be reliable for me, it's weight off the weapon.

    I don't shoot outside of 200 yards. Ever. That's the bleeding edge of my imposed limit, if all else fails. Inside 100 is where I keep myself primarily.

    I don't need a proper bi-pod. I don't even really need the grip-pod that I have. I've got to have something, though. It would be nice to find that I can now use the magazine without issue. I honestly haven't bothered with it, outside of those times when it just happens.

    A monopod would be enough for my purposes, in all foreseeable events. If it turns out that I can use the mag, great. This is just on of those things that I need to stop avoiding and bitching about, and just try it.

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    I was yelled at during a qualification test when I supported my issued rifle on the magazine. The instructors told me it can cause a malfunction. I laughed in my head, replied and told them I've used my magazine as a monopod every time I went prone with my personal rifles and training classes I seeked out on my own, and never had a failure. Their reply to me was that I would fail the qualification, "not responding to training". I said "yes sir I understand", and completed the qual their way.
    I'm estimating maybe 450-500 rounds taken from the monopod magazine prone position...no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack_trp1911 View Post
    I was yelled at during a qualification test when I supported my issued rifle on the magazine. The instructors told me it can cause a malfunction. I laughed in my head, replied and told them I've used my magazine as a monopod every time I went prone with my personal rifles and training classes I seeked out on my own, and never had a failure. Their reply to me was that I would fail the qualification, "not responding to training". I said "yes sir I understand", and completed the qual their way.
    I'm estimating maybe 450-500 rounds taken from the monopod magazine prone position...no problems.



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