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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    I have to ask why? It is not like you are being trusted with national security secrets or running some black ops. For god sakes, all you are doing is asking for the number of people in a residence, how much top secret info can there be in your training? Now, I dont mean any of this sarcasm to you personally I know that you are just doing what you are told. I just have to wonder about what they are thinking is so special.
    What he said. What's the super secret stuff and why does the census bureau want to keep it such a secret?
    Last edited by Avenger29; 04-29-10 at 19:51.
    I'm no expert, but I took my CCW course at a Holiday Inn Express

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    Concealed is concealed.

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    Having the numbers of the local police departments programmed into your phone might also be a good idea should anything occur.

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    I will say it right now. No warrant no guns carried by any officer onto my lands. Period end of list.

    I am a little fast as I was eating my last bite, fajitas.

    No .gov employee local, state, or federal without warrant may carry without my permission onto any property I own.
    Last edited by kaiservontexas; 04-29-10 at 19:54.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    I have to ask why? It is not like you are being trusted with national security secrets or running some black ops. For god sakes, all you are doing is asking for the number of people in a residence, how much top secret info can there be in your training? Now, I dont mean any of this sarcasm to you personally I know that you are just doing what you are told. I just have to wonder about what they are thinking is so special.
    I COMPLETELY agree that it's overkill and I didn't take it personally at all.

    They call it PII (Personally Identifiable Information) and divulging of PII is protected under the same laws that restrict the Census Bureau from telling AT&T how many phones you have. I didn't know it going in, but Census information is actually dealt with very seriously. They hold it for 72 years before releasing it to the LOC. Pretty nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jitterbug View Post
    Best paying job in the new America.
    Hahaha. College student looking for some part time work. They pay 12/hr, .50 a mile, and up to $240 a month for phone (which is RIDICULOUS). The Census is a mind blowing waste of tax payer money yall.

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    I think I found my answer. I found this on thehighroad.org

    Sorry for the late reply.

    I worked the Address Canvassing operation in the spring, and I'm now employed at the local office.

    Every step I took as an Enumerator, I had a RIA .45 on my hip, condition 1. I was never made aware of any regulations regarding CCW, and I didn't ask, either. Now I know that Census Bureau policy (not law, mind you,) strictly prohibits carrying weapons (this, of course, is never defined,) while on the job. Not on your person, not in the car. They can get bent, for all I care. If ever I get called back into the field, I will be armed. No job is worth risking my life or my safety.

    In the office, however, federal law comes into play. Title 18, specifically;

    Quote:
    From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
    [www.gpoaccess.gov]
    [Laws in effect as of January 3, 2007]
    [CITE: 18USC930]

    [Page 235]

    TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

    PART I--CRIMES

    CHAPTER 44--FIREARMS


    Sec. 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in
    Federal facilities

    (a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly
    possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in
    a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to
    do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1
    year, or both.
    (b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be
    used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be
    present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or
    attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
    more than 5 years, or both.
    (c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of
    subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal
    facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or
    attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided
    in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
    (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to--
    (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer,
    agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political
    subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or
    supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution
    of any violation of law;
    (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a
    Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession
    is authorized by law; or
    (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
    in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

    (e)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly
    possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court facility,
    or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not
    more than 2 years, or both.
    (2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in
    paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
    (f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the
    United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders
    regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within
    any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any
    grounds appurtenant to such building.
    (g) As used in this section:
    (1) The term ``Federal facility'' means a building or part
    thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal
    employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their
    official duties.
    (2) The term ``dangerous weapon'' means a weapon, device,
    instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is
    used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily
    injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a
    blade of less than 2\1/2\ inches in length.
    (3) The term ``Federal court facility'' means the courtroom,
    judges' chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney
    conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court
    clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal,
    probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court
    of the United States.

    (h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be
    posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility,
    and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each
    public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be
    convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a
    Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility,
    unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the
    case may be.

    (Added Pub. L. 100-690, title VI, Sec. 6215(a), Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat.
    4361; amended Pub. L. 101-647, title XXII, Sec. 2205(a), Nov. 29, 1990,
    104 Stat. 4857; Pub. L. 103-322, title VI, Sec. 60014, Sept. 13, 1994,
    108 Stat. 1973; Pub. L. 104-294, title VI, Sec. 603(t), (u), Oct. 11,
    1996, 110 Stat. 3506; Pub. L. 107-56, title VIII, Sec. 811(b), Oct. 26,
    2001, 115 Stat. 381.)


    Amendments

    2001--Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 107-56 struck out ``or attempts to kill''
    after ``A person who kills'', inserted ``or attempts or conspires to do
    such an act,'' before ``shall be punished'', and substituted ``1113, and
    1117'' for ``and 1113''.
    1996--Subsec. (e)(2). Pub. L. 104-294, Sec. 603(t), substituted
    ``subsection (d)'' for ``subsection (c)''.
    Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 104-294, Sec. 603(u)(1), redesignated subsec.
    (g), related to posting notice in Federal facilities, as (h).
    Subsec. (h). Pub. L. 104-294, Sec. 603(u)(2), substituted ``(e)''
    for ``(d)'' wherever appearing.
    Pub. L. 104-294, Sec. 603(u)(1), redesignated subsec. (g), related
    to posting notice in Federal facilities, as (h).
    1994--Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 103-322, Sec. 60014(2), substituted
    ``(d)'' for ``(c)''.
    Subsecs. (c) to (g). Pub. L. 103-322, Sec. 60014(1), (3), added
    subsec. (c) and redesignated former subsecs. (c) to (f) as (d) to (g),
    respectively.
    1990--Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 101-647, Sec. 2205(a)(1), inserted
    ``(other than a Federal court facility)'' after ``Federal facility''.
    Subsecs. (d), (e). Pub. L. 101-647, Sec. 2205(a)(2), (3), added
    subsec. (d) and redesignated former subsec. (d) as (e). Former subsec.
    (e) redesignated (f).
    Subsec. (f). Pub. L. 101-647, Sec. 2205(a)(2), redesignated subsec.
    (e) as (f). Former subsec. (f) redesignated (g).
    Subsec. (f)(3). Pub. L. 101-647, Sec. 2205(a)(4), added par. (3).
    Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 101-647, Sec. 2205(a)(5), inserted ``and notice
    of subsection (d) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance
    to each Federal court facility,'' after ``each Federal facility,'', ``or
    (d)'' before ``with respect to'', and ``or (d), as the case may be''
    before the period.
    Pub. L. 101-647, Sec. 2205(a)(2), redesignated subsec. (f) as (g).


    Effective Date of 1990 Amendment

    Section 2205(b) of Pub. L. 101-647 provided that: ``The amendments
    made by subsection (a) [amending this section] shall apply to conduct
    engaged in after the date of the enactment of this Act [Nov. 29,
    1990].''
    Note that pocket knives with blades less than 2.5" in length are permissible (section 930, subsection g, paragraph 3,) So that's what I carry. I am a responsible adult American, and I'll be damned if I'm going to claw and bite my way through a package of brochures. Also note that paragraph 3 of subsection d provides an exemption for "(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes."

    To my mind, "other lawful purposes" would include CCW. This argument has been made before for carrying in post offices and such, but I can't find any clear resolution to the matter. I think there might be case law that negatively affects this

    Anyway, I'm not too worried about it. Mindset, skillset, toolset, in that order, right? The lesson of the Tueller Drill can work in our favor, as well as against us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiservontexas View Post
    I will say it right now. No warrant no guns carried by any officer onto my lands. Period end of list.

    I am a little fast as I was eating my last bite, fajitas.

    No .gov employee local, state, or federal without warrant may carry without my permission onto any property I own.

    I suggest you research the Open Fields Doctrine before you get yourself in trouble.
    Last edited by Heavy Metal; 04-29-10 at 20:23.
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    Dude,

    It is a stupid, temporary, part-time job. What are they going to do if they catch you? Eat you?

    Carry and be descrete.
    My brother saw Deliverance and bought a Bow. I saw Deliverance and bought an AR-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    Dude,

    It is a stupid, temporary, part-time job. What are they going to do if they catch you? Eat you?

    Carry and be descrete.
    Losing the job is meaningless. I was more concerned about the issue of carrying as a federal employee; the legal issue not the Census Bureau's rules.

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