*******
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Senior Member
*******
Last edited by ZDL; 05-01-10 at 02:07.
Site Sponsor
I have amazing children! They work hard and expect to be challenged.
Sorry to see so many who want to be "special" but are only average at best.
Self Esteem is great when it is earned, when not earned it is a mill stone around one's neck.
Buckaroo
"It is better to be a Warrior in a Garden than a Gardner in a War"
Let's use the First Amendment to protect the Second so we can avoid using the Second to protect the First.
Member
I am back in college, and given I am a lot older than a lot of the students I usually talk with the Prof's.
It is one of the number 1 things they complain about. The kids now they are seeing (for the most part) expect that just showing up = A. That they don't have to really work for their grade.
Also, don't lay the blame solely at Mr. Rogers, also take a look at the public schooling in general, it seems that very few keep kids back. Hell, I remember 1 school was being brought to court by a parent because they wanted to hold the kid back.
Member
Blame what on Mr Rogers?
He was nothing more than a T.V. show host.
Like many years back blaming Beavis and Butthead because that kid
set his trailer on fire. (Beavis use to joke and say fire.. fire... fire...)
Turned out that family didn't even have cable.
Let's try something new. blame the kid and if any other fingers need to be pointed then the parents.
I still don't get why Mr Rogers is to blame for kids "feeling Entitled".
*If i'm missing something because of an EDIT, maybe the title to this should have also been edited*
Last edited by PdxMotoxer; 05-01-10 at 03:41.
Member
Agree totally.Originally Posted by BVickery
My wife has been a teacher in the public school system for over 20 years. Many involved in education are dedicated and truly want to help kids. However I know she gets incredibly frustrated with much of the “feel good” and “everyone’s a winner” attitudes so prevalent today. According to her it also shows up in retention proceedings or those to determine special services needs for a child. Parents and educators ignoring a problem in the short term does nothing good for the child in the long term.
Senior Member
yeah the everyone wins attitude doesn't do kids any favors...
bottom line, in the real world, it doesn't work that way.
they really should get some career specific training going on in high school. a high school diploma isn't worth the paper it's printed on anymore.
Senior Member
It's a product of turning our schools into a theme park ride instead of determining how well students do and moving them up the ladder as quickly as they can on their own. Imagine if the military moved people up in rank purely based on how long they've served and held up or kicked out the extremely incompetent, or even the criminal.
I can sympathize with why most teachers dread standardized tests. How can you teach classes effectively when most of your students were moved along the line like a bottle in the coca cola factory? The results speak for themselves, if you went off of standardized tests, most students between 50-80% of students would be earning F's. Most teachers are pretty good (some aren't), but they're never going to be all that good if you can't put qualified people in their classes.
Human intelligence runs the gambit. Saying so is regarded as insensitive, but it's the truth, not everyone is capable of higher mathematics. The horrid problem is that students are moved along at such a pace that they do not get as good of a grasp on the three R's as our grandparents generation. Most of them could easily have this essential understanding if they were forced to repeat classes with competent instructors.
Like the old Army slogan "Be all that you can be."
"Life is short, but the years are long." - Robert A. Heinlein
Senior Member
Education in the US today is the natural consequence of having socialized it, in the Stalinist sense of the word.
Centrally directed, no financial rewards or punishments for teachers being good or bad.
THIS is what you get when you allow centralized government control.
Give education back to localities, break the government monopoly on education and take away Federal tax dollars both collected and spent in support of it. Allow individuals and localities to keep the tax dollars and spend them the way THEY want to.
BTW, to spin off Armakraut - Human Intelligence is waaaay over-rated. When it comes to individual or corporate success, I will choose work ethic over intelligence 100% of the time. If I were king of the world, I'd stop supporting allegedly "bright" student programs so much and put my assets into the middle. "Bright" kids rarely pan out. I want more entrepreneurs, and less Executive Vice Presidents of Finance and Professors of Left Handed Lesbian Studies at Stanford.
Last edited by 120mm; 05-01-10 at 23:31.
Member
I am from the entitled generation and I have to agree with this thread. I work for what I have and that is all I deserve. Sure I would love to make 15 to 20 bucks a hour, but I don't have the qualification and with this economy I would be happy with a second minimum wage job to fill in my work week. The education system is horrible, I know that school taught me very little and if it was not for my family teaching me how to get along I would be another one of these no common sense tree hugging people I grew up with. My parents gave me a very good life and I hope to be there caliber of people.
Member
I'm from the same generation, and I agree. Those who got ahead are those who had a family at home that actually cared about what their kid got out of their education. I had parents that actually instilled in me a kind of pride that made me care about the kind of grades that I earned, which has served me well so far. I've seen the same students that went to school with me turn into complete abject failures. The parents were the determining factor. Right now, I'm working as a computer programmer overseeing an entire team of other programmers. My parents prepared me well.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks