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    No sling & rifle jams => drop rifle on ground and draw handgun => shooting stops temporarily => bend over to pick up rifle and get shot in the ass cheek.

    OK, that was mostly tongue in cheek, but I am sure you get my drift.

    Originally Posted by mattjmcd
    Or, maybe a Radi-mag type doodad that holds a loaded G26 in lieu of another magazine? "My secondary is ON my primary!"
    Would that be considered an SBR due to the presence of a buttstock?
    Last edited by 500grains; 05-03-10 at 21:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pathfinder Ops View Post
    ...And besides, if I didn't have a sling I would have to lean my rifle against something to hold my coffee cup and my donuts......HA!...
    You could use the rifle barrel to stir your coffee. That way it's still in your hands in case the badguys are waiting for you to set down your rifle to transition to the usual pen for coffee stirring. Also, the front sight will keep the donuts from contacting the hand-guards when slipping them over the muzzle device to keep them "at the ready"
    Last edited by MistWolf; 05-03-10 at 23:04.

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    I may have different needs than some but I need a sling because,

    - I often find myself climbing walls with my rifle.

    - I often find myself climbing fences with my rifle.

    - I often find myself climbing ladders with my rifle.

    - At times I find myself rappelling with a long gun.

    - At times I find myself with a slung M4 on my back when I am carrying my bolt gun, or vise versa.

    - At times I find myself riding in / on a helo, sometimes on the skids sometimes hanging outside doing overwatch. Helo's have an allergic reaction to large pieces of metals.

    - I find that if I needed to transition to my rifle, after the immediate contact when my world is safe, I may need to reload both my primary and my secondary, and I don't want to stick my rifles muzzle into the dirt, lean on it like a tripod while I reload my pistol.

    - If someone is attempting to take my rifle or choke me with my sling, I am in a deadly use of force situation and I may need to transition to my pistol. I like the added security for weapon retention with a sling as I release one hand from the rifle to go to my pistol.

    - Even though I do practice one handed rifle retention when transitioning to my pistol, I find at times that I may need to set myself up better to actually get two hands on my pistol. This makes me more effective with it. With a sling I can just as easily transition to my pistol using two hands while still be able to maintain acceptable control over the long gun.

    - I don't want to get my world rocked and have my rifle go flying into the unknown.

    - I often have my rifle with me for many many hours at a time and I don't like holding it the entire time.

    - I don't like to put my rifle down when I have to piss.

    - Instant improvised tourniquet.

    - I like having the option of cinching down my sling in certain improvised shooting positions at varying distances.

    I used to run a piece of strap attached to the stock and attachment buckles on both shoulders of my kit, with an improvised weapons catch. I would run the rifle unbuckled for many things, but I found that with modern 2 point designs and their adjustability in length of pull with quick disconnects, running a sling in this old school manner or running without a sling was no longer as good of an option.

    And as mentioned, putting the rifle down while eating pastries and having some Joe just doesn't look as cool as having the rifle slung over your back muzzle down.



    I am sure there is more, but I gotta drop a deuce right now. I usually put my rifle down for this one.
    Last edited by Surf; 05-04-10 at 01:20.

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    Damn it...I was hoping it would not come to this;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgz5r...eature=related

    At around 2:30 it is explained why you don't use a sling.

    For more action see the original video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kckLM...eature=related

    This should help Surf's deuce come out.

    For me, and my needs, a sling is mandatory equipment.

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    I wont carry a rifle without a sling just as I wont wear a pistol without a holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    You could use the rifle barrel to stir your coffee. That way it's still in your hands in case the badguys are waiting for you to set down your rifle to transition to the usual pen for coffee stirring. Also, the front sight will keep the donuts from contacting the hand-guards when slipping them over the muzzle device to keep them "at the ready"
    Hmmm seems like you might have some practical experience with this....lol
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    I have a sling for all rifles.

    All rifles are NOT primarily slung.

    NO sling seems an irresponsible platitude. When to ditch a sling or not run one is, certainly, a worthwhile discussion.

    I'd generally counter by saying that in most circumstances the quick release ability of a good sling gives you they ability to lose it if needed.

    On the "no sling" matter one scenario that comes to mind …

    If I am actively shooting/moving and require a transition because I am simply dry and need immediate presentation without the luxury to perform a reload, that last thing I want to do is caber toss my carbine so I can go pick it up later … back who knows where and how far … is it safe to go get it …

    Look, now I have 3 full M4 mags and no carbine … go team …

    I dunno …

    For "bump in the night" I start un-slung for 'go go go,' but I can add a 2pt/1pt strap and hook it up if needed/warranted/time permitting.

    In the end, whatever works for you …

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    When you don't need one, it's an annoyance. When you do need one, you really do need one.

    It really does depend what on what you're doing. When I toted around an M16 as a low speed private, I took the USGI sling off every chance I got. I didn't have any other weapons, no other responsibilities, and all it did was get caught up on things. Different place, different job, working out of a vehicle with a pistol and long arm, with other stuff to do, the lack of a sling was an immediate problem.

    I don't expect to be a private with nothing to do but dodder around again, so slings it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    When you grab your pistol off of your nightstand to respond to a bump-in-the-night, are you wearing a holster?
    Negative...intruders get the "Full Monty".
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    Slings are a must on defensive long guns. That doesn't mean you must use them. Scenario dictates the tactics. Have at least a carry strap, though, so you have options.

    I agree with others that if the suspect is close enough to make my sling a liability, I'm likely in a deadly force situation.
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