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    a sling properly set up is a must. 2 combat tours under my belt and you couldn't convince me otherwise. "back in the day" when I was a boot (mid 80's) the anti sling idea was common- that because no one had tac slings yet- it was old school over the shoulder- the thinking of the day was your rifle was not at ready if slung in the traditional manner. Also some ofthe older DI's were nam era guys and felt slings hung up in the jungle- not the environs were in at present

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    As a LEO, a sling is a must for me... If you do have to go hands on with someone how are you going to retain the firearm if you don't have a sling? It's also a must for transitioning to a secondary weapon unless you're going to just drop the rifle/shotgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pathfinder Ops View Post
    Hmmm seems like you might have some practical experience with this....lol
    Well, I didn't want to brag or anything, but yes. I once did a ride-along with the Houston Metro PD and I did post on the internet last night
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    I was at the class with the Veracity and Pathfinder and I found the sling thing to be just they way they prefered to teach. BUt everytime they brought it up they also prefaced it with basically"This is what our opinion is but you can ignore it if you want."

    Not worth getting worked up about. Also I think the premise they are working off is that they will have their secondary and if the rifle goes dry or has a malfuntion it's just a big club that is in the way at that point. Drop it and engage with your secondary.


    This may or may not have caused physical sickness with some of the more gear queerish folks there who were somewhat adverse to the idea of dropping their rifle in the dirt.

    Did I enjoy the class? Yup. Do I still plan on have a sling on my rifle? Probably. Did I learn a whole bunch of stuff specifically during the malfunction junction drill? Hell yes.

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    I would personally rather have a sling than not. Besides the other benefits to using a good sling system, the weapon retention aspect is a big benefit in my opinion. I view an attacker grabbing a slung carbine like an attacker grabbing or man-handling you; while it isn't the ideal situation, if their hands are occupied with grabbing you or the slung carbine, they aren't hitting you or beating on you with it (which also makes a combative response more likely to succeed). Besides that, if you effectively deal with an attack well enough to create some space, you are still in possession of your slung carbine (assuming it is still operational, or that you can make so).

    Of course, all that is relative to one possible scenario, so who knows? Depending on your needs, a sling might not be practical at all. The nice thing about having one, though, is that it is there if you need it, but you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Well, I didn't want to brag or anything, but yes. I once did a ride-along with the Houston Metro PD and I did post on the internet last night
    LOL.....nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc6177 View Post
    I was at the class with the Veracity and Pathfinder and I found the sling thing to be just they way they prefered to teach. BUt everytime they brought it up they also prefaced it with basically"This is what our opinion is but you can ignore it if you want."

    Not worth getting worked up about. Also I think the premise they are working off is that they will have their secondary and if the rifle goes dry or has a malfuntion it's just a big club that is in the way at that point. Drop it and engage with your secondary.


    This may or may not have caused physical sickness with some of the more gear queerish folks there who were somewhat adverse to the idea of dropping their rifle in the dirt.

    Did I enjoy the class? Yup. Do I still plan on have a sling on my rifle? Probably. Did I learn a whole bunch of stuff specifically during the malfunction junction drill? Hell yes.
    Yup....

    And they were clear at the end of class to state that we shouldn't beleive anything they told that day. rather to take their ideas and go out and try it for our selves and make our own judgments. Which I am very much in agreement with.

    Just cuz something works or doesn't for me doesn't mean that's the only way. And they were quick to say that.

    I for one find my sling useful in many ways.
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    Without reading the entire thread...

    If a bad guy was close enough to you to grab your slung rifle, wouldn't you WANT it slung? Retention is important. I would much rather have a brief tussle with a BG than be shot by my own damned rifle. Without a sling, BG grabs it and it's out of my control, and in the control of the very last person I wanted to have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veracity View Post
    They were very "anti-sling". They said that slings certainly had their uses, but that they were potentially too much trouble. They gave various examples. One of which was how the sling can be used against you by an attacker. (Just like cops wear clip on ties so they don't get choked to death, slings are just big "grab on handles" for bad guys.)
    If a bad guy gets close enough to me to grab my sling, the powder burns he gets will be the least of his troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc6177 View Post
    Not worth getting worked up about. Also I think the premise they are working off is that they will have their secondary and if the rifle goes dry or has a malfuntion it's just a big club that is in the way at that point. Drop it and engage with your secondary.
    I am not too wrapped up on this topic as I am sure most here see it for what it is, none the less I am a bit curious, if they mentioned anything about having a malfunction with your rifle, dropping it in the dirt, engaging with your pistol all the while hauling ass looking to get behind some type of cover perhaps while engaging the threat?

    What happens to that rifle once you haul ass and it is still sitting in the dirt where you left it? Now your behind cover and you may have had the ability to get your long gun up and running again, but you can't because it is sitting in the dirt somewhere. Or worse the bad guy gets to your rifle, fixes it and shoots at you with it. Or maybe another scumbag gets it.

    To think that we aren't going to be hauling ass when transitioning is not wise. To think that we can just dump our long gun leaving it behind while we haul ass is less of a great idea IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pathfinder Ops View Post
    Yup....

    And they were clear at the end of class to state that we shouldn't beleive anything they told that day. rather to take their ideas and go out and try it for our selves and make our own judgments. Which I am very much in agreement with.

    Just cuz something works or doesn't for me doesn't mean that's the only way. And they were quick to say that.

    I for one find my sling useful in many ways.
    Many good schools / instructors will make a similar point about trying things out for yourself, giving a new technique etc a fair evaluation in an attempt to find out what does and does not work for your situation / needs and that is a good thing. While it may have its niche, I don't think you will get a lot of people buying into this no sling concept in the long run. Sure it may seem that way during a class when people are wrapped up in the heat of the training course, but when they get some time and distance from the class they will evaluate the goods and bads and I am pretty sure, like yourself, most will understand the needs for a sling.

    I somewhat have to agree with what Rob said earlier, that some schools pick certain things that give them some type of "calling card" so to speak. Not all necessarily good either. That does not mean that they do not have quality training to offer.

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