AAR: Vickers Tactical AK Operators Class - May 1-2, 2010 - Fuquay-Varina, NC

[TOrrock]

On another note, I couldn't help but notice the female student (sorry I don't know her name) had a PWS FSC47 on her rifle. What is the consensus on these? I am interested in getting these for my AKs with 14x1 LH threads.

I noticed that it cut down on the muzzle jump as it was supposed to, increases perceived report to about where an AK-74/AK-103 brake is, at least that's how it seemed to me when I was off to the side of her.

[tylerw02]

Great photographs. It appears a great time was had. I hope to make one of these classes someday.

[Sherman A. House]

Hello,
I'll expound on what I said, although there isn't much left to say! From what I gathered from Larry's soliloquy on the oversize trigger group, some rifles don't fit it correctly, because of variances in the location of the axis pins. Then, what that translates to, is a mechanical interference with the operation of the trigger in relation to the safety lever.

As you know, an AK trigger can get pretty gritty after alot of use, especially with dirty ammo. The more I think about this the more I imagine that the trigger axis pin could have become dirty enough to hamper its rotation, and thus it wasn't returning fully to its, "rested," position after cocking, and thus with the trigger essentially in the, "reset," position, the selector was moved to, "safe," and then when it was moved to, "fire," it bumped the trigger from the reset position to the rearmost position and fired the weapon.

Just a hypothesis...but honestly I'm not really a gunsmith or anything.

Bottom line: Larry said that great care must be taken to ensure that the FCG that YOU install in YOUR weapon (or the builder installs) MUST be fitted to work right. Might it drop in? Certainly, but as well all know, all AK's are NOT created equal, and thus care must be taken to keep accidental discharges like this one from happening.

Hope that answered your question.

[Sherman A. House]

I used the PWS FSC47 on my Yugo. It is a heavy gun, so the recoil is minimal anyway, but it did seem to do a good job of mitigating muzzle rise. You can see in the pic where I shot my rifle dry and transitioned (with the case in the air) that the muzzle rise isn't much at all.

Of course, it does help to have 250 pounds hanging off of the other end of the gun! Nothing mitigates recoil and muzzle rise like putting your weight into it!

[JBRIII]

Sherman,

Those are awesome gloves, where did you get them Seriously great reviews guys. I am hoping Mr. Smith can bring Larry to a class here in Louisville (Knob Creek) again. I would love to take his AK class. See you guys at HRCC in October.

Rebecca could have a blooming second career.

John

[Moose-Knuckle]

Thanks Templar and Sherman for getting to my questions.

I really appreciate it, for those of us who cannot attend one of Mr. Vickers classes it is most informative to a get direct source of the knowledge obtained from those who participated.

Sherman your earlier post was quite long, leave it to me to be the one who stills has a question, lol. My question in regards to the G2 FCG was specific to Mr. Vickers comments on the subject as I assumed he imparted some advice on the matter to you.

[TOrrock]

Thanks Templar and Sherman for getting to my questions.

I really appreciate it, for those of us who cannot attend one of Mr. Vickers classes it is most informative to a get direct source of the knowledge obtained from those who participated.

Sherman your earlier post was quite long, leave it to me to be the one who stills has a question, lol. My question in regards to the G2 FCG was specific to Mr. Vickers comments on the subject as I assumed he imparted some advice on the matter to you.

Moose, it could have been one specific thing that went wrong, or several that worked together.

Sherman's an extremely competent shooter and there is no fault in the way he handled anything. I didn't get to see what happened, but I'm thinking it could be something as simple as the dust cover not stopping the safety from travelling too far up, and allowing the FCG to trip.

Again, I wasn't right there when it happened though. Combining a retro engineered US receiver with a retro engineered US FCG and a military selector....who knows. Just make sure that the gear that you have is fit well and working well.

Sherman said it hadn't happened before and he hasn't been able to replicate it, so it could be just a one time freak occurrence and one more reason we have the 4 Cardinal rules of gun safety.

[subzero]

Some pretty interesting stuff going on here. If the owner is around, I'd love to hear more about this gun.

Thanks for the great write up and pics, fellas. I was bummed I couldn't make it out for at least one day.

Larry, once you have a more definite opinion on the Tech Sights, I'd love to hear it. I've been eager to throw them onto my test platform AK to take it even further towards that KTR-03 you have.

[TOrrock]

Subzero, "Gunny Highway" as Larry dubbed him, is a young active duty Marine who isn't a member here.

He's running a Romanian SAR-1 with a Mojo rear sight. The speed tab on his safety was installed by a local gun smith in his area.

He's got a clamp on the gas tube and is running his light there, which was a hell of a good idea as long as you don't clamp too tight and crimp the gas tube.

Good dude, good shooter too.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Sherman said it hadn't happened before and he hasn't been able to replicate it, so it could be just a one time freak occurrence and one more reason we have the 4 Cardinal rules of gun safety.

Roger that, I'm inclined to agree with the idea that this was some freak occurrence.