Cheap Red Dot?

[bushmasterar15]

Check out Vortex Optics. They have one that looks like a Aimpoint and had good reviews.

[Roadblock]

I just picked up one of those Primary Arms Fakepoint Micro's. Looks good so far for what I'm doing.

[1371USMCFL]

Need some help on this, I've read where even the owner of primary arms has said that their sights are not good for SHTF situations. Why is this? I've read lots of reports where guys are using them for training classes and they hold zero through drop tests. So what would make them unsuitable?

Not trying to start something, just doesn't make sense to me.

[Jerm]

Need some help on this, I've read where even the owner of primary arms has said that their sights are not good for SHTF situations. Why is this? I've read lots of reports where guys are using them for training classes and they hold zero through drop tests. So what would make them unsuitable?

Not trying to start something, just doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't trust it to hold up to any hard or longterm use.

The one I'm currently holding has been babied and the activation wheel already seems ready to go.

It's a toy really.

[JSantoro]

I've read lots of reports where guys are using them for training classes and they hold zero through drop tests. So what would make them unsuitable?

Somebody says "drop test," 9.8 times out of 10, they think that means: zero optic, remove optic from gun, drop it on whatever surface is handy, re-install and shoot. That's not a drop test. That's what somebody who can't engage in thought past "But but but I dropped it!?!?" used as "proof" instead of conducting an actual drop test.

Optic by itself isn't the primary configuration, unless somebody changed traditional methodologies while I was on the can.

Keep the thing on the gun. Drop the whole thing from 3', 6', up to 9' onto several different surfaces (concrete, turf, sand), and in such a way that the weapon hits from each side. Bam, there's your warm-up before you really start beating the thing up....

They're fine for plinking and Fudd use, but them on a hard-use gun, breaking PA and similar knock-off optics isn't as easy as shooting fish in a barrel...

...it's as easy as standing next to a barrel with fish in it.

[subzero]

Great post. This and Templar's should be the default answers any time an optics thread comes up with "cheap" anything in the title.

That is, if we don't zap anything with cheap in the title on sight. I favor that approach.

[sewvacman]

Does anyone know which riser will give the primary arms micro an absolute co-witness? (other than the Larue lt660hk)

Disclaimer: this is going on my 9 yr. old son's .22

[1371USMCFL]

Somebody says "drop test," 9.8 times out of 10, they think that means: zero optic, remove optic from gun, drop it on whatever surface is handy, re-install and shoot. That's not a drop test. That's what somebody who can't engage in thought past "But but but I dropped it!?!?" used as "proof" instead of conducting an actual drop test.

Optic by itself isn't the primary configuration, unless somebody changed traditional methodologies while I was on the can.

Keep the thing on the gun. Drop the whole thing from 3', 6', up to 9' onto several different surfaces (concrete, turf, sand), and in such a way that the weapon hits from each side. Bam, there's your warm-up before you really start beating the thing up....

They're fine for plinking and Fudd use, but them on a hard-use gun, breaking PA and similar knock-off optics isn't as easy as shooting fish in a barrel...

...it's as easy as standing next to a barrel with fish in it.

Roger that and thank you. I've never held an Aimpoint (only used iron sights and ACOG's because that's what the Corps tells me to, ) and didn't know there was that big of a quality difference.

[Alaskapopo]

I have a Primary Arms blem model sights on my Larue in a Larue Off set mount and on my GAP .308. Both sights have done fine so far. These are fun rifles for me and they are close range back ups to Nightforce scopes. The issues I have with the Primary Arms optics is as follows. The dot is bigger than advertized (about 7moa to my eyes) and the adjustments are very coarse. Meaning they are not 1/2 moa clicks. Not sure how far they are but its more than 1/2 moa by a long shot. I even installed one of these on a .308 carbine I sold a friend of mine. My opinion is they are fine for range guns but if this is a serious weapon get

[marsh1]

Need some help on this, I've read where even the owner of primary arms has said that their sights are not good for SHTF situations. Why is this? I've read lots of reports where guys are using them for training classes and they hold zero through drop tests. So what would make them unsuitable?

Not trying to start something, just doesn't make sense to me.

Ours are not built to handle the same G rating and tested to fewer repetitions of impact. Switches are not the same quality. A good example is if I sourced a switch of the same quality as a Comp M3 is would add $60 to the price of our $69 red dot. Big difference in being able to handle recoil and a range or training session and being able to handle the truly unexpected.

Marshall