New FBI 5.56 mm ammunition RFP

[Jake'sDad]

Right, but out to what range? I already get great performance sans barriers with 8126n in a 10" barrel ... But only out to 50-75 yards or so, after which it starts to get dicey.

I guess my ultimate question here is - to what range do these bonded bullets have those performance characteristics you mention?

I've only got data out to 100 yards from a 10". Doc can probably provide more.

[Armati]

Question:

Which round has lower visible flash? Typically, Federal seems to load ammo with lower flash powders.

[El Mac]

http://atk.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=118&item=1046

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ATK Awarded Five-Year FBI Ammunition Contract Valued at $95 Million
ATK 5.56 Caliber Ammunition Products Fulfill Duty and Training Requirements
FBI-Award Ammunition to be Manufactured at ATK's Facility in Anoka, Minn.
Nov 3, 2010



MINNEAPOLIS, Nov. 3, 2010 /PRNewswire/ -- ATK (NYSE: ATK) announced today that it has received a contract from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for 5.56 caliber duty and training ammunition. The contract is a five-year, Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement with a maximum value of $95 million. ATK will produce the mission-specific ammunition at its facility in Anoka, Minnesota.

ATK used its core capability of ammunition technology development to create a customized solution to meet the needs of the FBI. The duty load is based on Federal Premium's 62-grain Tactical Bonded projectile, which excels at barrier penetration, while the training ammunition features 55-grain and 50-grain bullet options ideal for the needs of the Bureau. Production of the duty round was tailored to the specifications of the FBI and is already underway. Deliveries are expected to begin by the end of 2010.

"This contract is the result of a focused effort to expand our business in an important strategic market," said Ron Johnson, President of ATK's Security and Sporting group. "Our core ammunition technology provides the ideal platform for meeting this important customer need."

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[infidelprodigy]

Very interesting Doc thanks for the info. It seems the FBI did their homework before choosing this round; something that offers good performence out of the various barrel lengths employed across their agency.

I will definitly pick some of this stuff up if it gets released to the public as well. Might be a nice alternative to the ever elusive TAP T2, especially out of a 10.5" barrel......

[funkra]

The FBI has completed their testing process and awarded a 5.56 mm ammunition contract for up to $97 million dollars. This award is now public information and appears unique in several ways. Besides being perhaps the largest ammunition contract in FBI history, it is also the first time the FBI has mandated a true 5.56 mm pressure loading, rather than the typical anemic .223 pressure loadings that have generally been marketed to LE agencies. The 5.56 mm load offers approximately an extra 200 fps--helping performance out of short barrel weapons and enhancing function when rifles are dirty or in dusty conditions. The new FBI contract also required that the ammunition be packaged on stripper clips to aid in more rapid loading of magazines. Finally, it is the first multi-award carbine ammo contract for the FBI--both Federal Cartridge and Winchester were judged to offer ammunition which met the contract criteria. Numerous other Federal LE agencies are authorized to purchase off this contract.

The 5.56 mm Federal 62 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw (TBBC) bonded JSP load is XM556FBIT3.

The 5.56 mm Winchester 64 gr solid base bonded JSP is Q3313 on stripper clips/RA556B in 20 rd boxes.

Both of these loads are the best barrier blind 5.56 mm loads ever produced for LE use; they offer outstanding terminal performance, even after first defeating intermediate barriers like vehicle windshields.

Doc, love your posts. While I know the XM556FBIT3 is a better overall combat round than the SOST round, does the SOST Mk318 Mod 0 ammo outshine the XM556FBIT3 in any single category (range, accuracy, lethality, barrier blind, feeding, etc, Hague issues aside)? If not, is XM556FBIT3 worth the additional cost (surely twice the cost of SOST ammo, which I can get for .78/round). Thanks again.

[Beat Trash]

Has anyone seen either of these rounds become available for individual officer or civilian purchase yet?

[C4IGrant]

Has anyone seen either of these rounds become available for individual officer or civilian purchase yet?

The FBI's new load has not become available to LE distributors (even). So who knows when we will be able to get it.


C4

[Ironman8]

I've only got data out to 100 yards from a 10". Doc can probably provide more.

What did your results show?

Would the results be much different (inside of the 100 yd mark) if you were shooting the .223 version (Federal LE223T3)? Or would the differences only show at greater distances?

Basically I'm just trying to guage the "effective range" that each load would give.

Thanks.

[STONE-YARDER]

It looks like this stuff has hit the streets. Has anyone done any formal or informal testing on it.
http://www.luckygunner.com/5-56x45-6...eral-20-rounds

LG's prices are high its out there for cheaper I just used them as an example.

[Evil1969SS>LS6]

It looks like this stuff has hit the streets. Has anyone done any formal or informal testing on it.
http://www.luckygunner.com/5-56x45-6...eral-20-rounds

LG's prices are high its out there for cheaper I just used them as an example.

There was a previous run of contract over-run white box Federal XM556FBIT3 about year and a half ago, I scooped 460rds from a Vender on this site. The RXM556T3 is the same, only didnt pass FBI standards for one reason or another. Should fine though.

Edit* BTW..I notice this RXM556T3 does not come on stripper clips, as does the XM556FBIT3 I have does. Just an observation.