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Thread: NFA laws on possession and SBR changing lengths ?.(done deal pics showin.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD62 View Post
    To be in the right I should probably mail the ATF a letter also listing my 16" middy upper and any sunsequent uppers I may purchase? Include it with the original form 1 or mail after form 1 is approved?
    I have no idea why you'd do this.


    If I were to go ahead and order the 10.5 and have it shipped and stored at an alternative location would I be GTG? Or just wait for everything to come through in due time?
    There's no way I'd wait. And I don't know where this separate location internut myth started, but it is what it is. I call it the grandma's house myth.

    Here's where common sense kicks in. Order your upper, have it ready for when your papers arrive. Don't build anything until you're golden. It's just that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidp14 View Post
    My M16 is registered in .22, 9mm and .223. and the OAL is measured with the 8" 22 upper (which is the shortest one I own), I just added a 14.5" to the list but I really didnt plan on sending a letter since its over the min OAL.

    If I had to write a letter every time I changed uppers Id be sending 10 letters a week.
    If you're talking about an actual FA M16, then you don't have to register any change. There is no such thing as an SBR machine gun. Once you are registered Title II, you can do pretty much anything you want with it as far as configuration goes.

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    Demigod,

    Thanks for the info. It seemed like I was getting some conflicting info, or I was just reading it wrong. I didn't think that you'd need to advise for a legal upper, but after reading some posts I wasn't sure.

    Like I said it's my first NFA so I'm a little "gun shy". So go ahead and order the upper?

    I agree with your constructive intent statement, and the difficulty of proving intent, which my only intent is to assemble the upper and lower when legal to do so. I can't find anything in my copy of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide to say that possesion of a short barrel or short barreled upper constitutes constructive intent, but I don't want a late night visit from the ATF fairy either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RD62 View Post
    So go ahead and order the upper?
    I'm only saying I WOULD!!!! I'd already be caressing it as we speak.

    But "a man's got to know his limitations".
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    Not a Form for notifying that you'll use different lengths/calibers. I just used a formal letter and made a copy of my Form 1s...
    When I called the NFA branch about possibly adding a 9mm upper to my SBR, they recommended that I just send them a letter (as quoted by gotM4 above). The chances of the ATF coming after me for doing so without first sending them this letter is probably very slim.

    But then again, so are the chances of someone winning the lottery or getting hit by lightning. Unlike some opinionated individuals on the internet, I not very willing to increase my chances of becoming the poster boy for any such Case Laws in this particular topic.

    RD62 - the best advice I can give you at the moment is that you should keep in mind that you get what you pay for as far as legal advice on the internet is concerned. Is it really that much effort to send such a letter? JM2CW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal View Post
    RD62 - the best advice I can give you at the moment is that you should keep in mind that you get what you pay for as far as legal advice on the internet is concerned. Is it really that much effort to send such a letter?

    No it's not. And I agree about the value of free advice, I take it all with a grain of salt. But I do appreciate all of it. Especially from folks like Demigod and GotM4 who have more experience in this area than I do.

    I'll probably send a letter just to be safe. As I said I didn't think that you would necessarily need to for a 16" upper, but might for a 14.5", or 12" or whatever, but I'll probably do it for the extra peace of mind if nothing else.

    Thanks to everyone, and I look forward to showing off my new creation when everything is finalized!

    -RD62

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    For one of you guys who have sent in a letter listing other barrel lengths. Could you post an example of the letter, What other paper work was included and where did you send it?
    Semper Fi

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