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Thread: NFA laws on possession and SBR changing lengths ?.(done deal pics showin.)

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    SuicideHZ your SBR looks tight man.

    That is the 9.25 upper. The wait is a gripe but i get mine from dealers that have them in stock.

    My last came from HkSpecialist.


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    Thanks Rob. It will be sporting KAC front and rear BUIS by the end of the week. The front cost me over $160 but the rear 300m I got for $50 or so as one of many brought back from Iraq over a year ago. So altogether, the pair will be quite a few bones less than a Troy set which was the runner up in the decision...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunLovinTexan View Post




    Thanks for your help guys.
    Nice shorty! It resembles a little bulldog with HUGE balls...

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    I can confirm ATF's rejection of "under 16 inches" as the barrel length. This happened to me less than a year ago when I SBRed my Uzi carbine. I was sent my Form 1 back asking for clarification.

    I woiuld recommend putting the shortest length barrel you think you'll ever use in the box, then put in the appropriate OAL.

    The good news is approval is now lightning fast (at least by ATF standards). My SBR Form 1 approval, including the above mentioned problem, was less than 30 days.

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    Can anybody name even one example were somebody has gotten into trouble for this? I'm talking about using longer but still NFA length uppers on a SBR registered lower. Personally, I've never worried about it.
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    I doubt there's any real documented cases we can even research on it.

    But, you'll always have someone telling you that you can't go shorter or you should register as a 7" to cover all bases. I would think if the ATF cared, they wouldn't be happy to find out you initially started with an 11.5" and went to 10.3" and never even touched a 7" but put it on your form to "be safe."

    My two cents.

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    ATF informed me last December that I had to list a specific barrel length on the form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msr View Post
    ATF informed me last December that I had to list a specific barrel length on the form.
    You're correct. The debate is about AFTER you have an approved Form 1 or Form 4 for a SBR or machinegun.

    For instance, If your Form 1 reads that your SBR has a 11.5" 5.56mm barrel on it, and then you start using a 10.5" 9x19mm upper on it..... people are asking do you have to notify ATF?

    I did notify them for my SBRs (3 ARs) I notified them of every caliber and barrel length possible, I'm a CYA kind of guy.

    Is it required? I don't know.

    pure opinion here:
    I don't know if anyone has written ATF and asked for a clarification on this. I don't think it's required and don't need a clarification because (thinking logically) it's a non-permanent change for an AR type rifle. I think it's the same logic in using a .22 conversion kit (i.e. Ceiner/Kimber/Advantage Arms/Beretta) on a pistol frame, you don't have to notify ATF that you've made a new pistol when using one on your pistol frame).

    I would for sure notify ATF for changing a barrel length on an AK since it's pretty permanent, (quite harder to change barrels/calibers vs. an AR).
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    My M16 is registered in .22, 9mm and .223. and the OAL is measured with the 8" 22 upper (which is the shortest one I own), I just added a 14.5" to the list but I really didnt plan on sending a letter since its over the min OAL.

    If I had to write a letter every time I changed uppers Id be sending 10 letters a week.

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    JESUS there's a lot of people who like to dry hump the ATF.

    Common sense goes a long way in the NFA game, fr00ts!

    And if I read this constructive intent crap again.... Gee I have beer in my fridge and a car in my garage.... that's constructive intent to drive drunk.
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