Gear and Employment Considerations for LE

[msap]

LOL! wolverineSIERRA, if you think 4 mags is too much you would stroke out if you saw what we carry. Rather have it and not need it then well.... you know. If local LE wants to carry some extra weight what do you care? By the way, some juristictions (including mine) would wait hours upon hours for a state team to get there. Forget about federal. Why don't you give us a good arguement for not carrying anymore than 2-3 extra mags. No offense but, stay in your lane.

[Surf]

Better to have and not need, than to need and not have, ring a bell?

WolverineSierra, can you give a legitimate or logical argument as to why they shouldn't have such a loadout? The argument that the chances are "highly unlikely" does not rule out the possibility of it actually happening, no matter how remote it may or may not be. So if it is indeed a possibility, no matter how remote, should answer your own question. Since it is a possibility, we should plan for the worst, hope for the best. What are we losing by doing this?

As mentioned, I would also be interested in your credentials that allows you to give such advice to a LE agency or a tactical unit.

I will also say that if you read some of the intel that comes from certain Federal agencies that are incident debriefs and the suggested loadouts (snipers are quite a bit) or plans of actions, these type of loadouts would be the norm. The world climate, Beslan, Mumbai etc, while have happened abroad, have had resounding effects within the US. It is also interesting to see the intel on "projected" types of "likely" terrorist attacks within our own borders. These Federali type reports would make our LEO's carry a bit more.

Hate to say it, but if some of the simple "projected" types of terrorist attacks ever happen on US soil, the Feds will be far over taxed to handle the "situations" accordingly. There will be much need for local and State agencies. We need to wake up a bit and pull our heads out of the sand. What are we really losing by being more prepared?

[usmcvet]

Just an observation. My friend is a patrol officer for a large police department, he's issued an AR15 for his daily beat. He's given two (2) 30 rounds magazines and ammo for them. That's it. No sling, no light, and no method to carry the spare magazine or any other extra ammo. He's figured out a way to use a section of a tire's inner tube to attach the spare magazine to the A2 stock on his rifle.

I have a kydex old paddle mag pouch in my desk for your cop buddy. email me his/your contact info and I will mail it out today. Any one got a spare mag for him?

[agr1279]

all pretty fair and logical arguments, but heres the thing i hear alot of people talking about a belsan school situation, and god forbids that would happen wouldnt that fall under FBI/HRT jurisdiction and it wont no longer be a local LEO matter??? or some other federal agency or even maybe even military??!! my whole argument was when a first responder shows up with his/her carbine, rifle etc they prob wouldnt need to carry 5 to 6 mags because most likely they would never use any of it and help is also on the way and if an officer has to spend 6 30rd mags then thats a FUBAR situation, but what do i know, never been a LEO, sorry if my ignorance offended anyone here

wolverineSIERRA,

I'm not sure what you are trying to start here. When I was on active duty as an Aviator I always flew with an SV2/LPA, Torso Harness, Chute and a Douglas Espac 1E. Never wanted to use them either. You would probably not like my aw shit load out. I'm not sure where you are at but in the area where I work it would take probably 24 to 48 to get the HRT out here and by that time how many would be dead.

Fight the way you train, train the way you fight.

Dan

[Cincinnatus]

See my signature.

[Sam]

I have a kydex old paddle mag pouch in my desk for your cop buddy. email me his/your contact info and I will mail it out today. Any one got a spare mag for him?

Hi usmcvet:
I sent you a PM. Thanks.

[Surf]

I have a kydex old paddle mag pouch in my desk for your cop buddy. email me his/your contact info and I will mail it out today. Any one got a spare mag for him?

Hi usmcvet:
I sent you a PM. Thanks.

Let me know. I have mags and a sling for your buddy.

[Sam]

Let me know. I have mags and a sling for your buddy.

Thank you as well. I guess I should elaborate on my friend's situation. His department only issued their patrol officers (non SWAT) who are qualified to carry the ARs, two magazines, no sling and no method to carry the spare mag. They're also are not allowed to modify their rifles. As I said earlier, he is using an inner tube to hold the spare on the A2 stock. But he's spending his own money to buy an Eagle active shooter shoulder bag and stuffed it with his own 30 round magazines and ammo. I can't remember if he's installed a sling on the rifle or not as it's not always a guarantee for him to check out the same rifle for each shift.

He is well trained with several courses from places and instructors such as Thunder Ranch, Ken Hackathorn, Dave Harrington and Larry Vickers. On his privatedly own carbines, he's using the Vickers Combat Application Slings. He's got dozen of magazines as well, I was only reporting what the standard issue kit that he's issued with.

[Velcro]

With the thanks of the NRA's Lifetime Salesman Award going to "you know who" it has put all kinds of weapons into hands of Americans...NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, but since crime has not gone down, and since you probably have your pistol in your bed table, your shotgun under your bed or behind the closet door, along with the rifle, or now two, in the closet shelf up high so the kids do play with it...and that most people have the same layout, criminals are more likely to retrieve a weapon in a B&E or Home invasion...how do you want to be set up as the FR that shows up to that scene and there still in the house... and since your not a LEO, be anywhere around a incedent that someone goes off... I will bet that you will be praying that the officers that come to get you out of this sht has enough ammo...

No offence, but do you live in Berkley! (LOL)


Velcro

[Failure2Stop]

With the thanks of the NRA's Lifetime Salesman Award going to "you know who" it has put all kinds of weapons into hands of Americans...NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, but since crime has not gone down, and since you probably have your pistol in your bed table, your shotgun under your bed or behind the closet door, along with the rifle, or now two, in the closet shelf up high so the kids do play with it...and that most people have the same layout, criminals are more likely to retrieve a weapon in a B&E or Home invasion...how do you want to be set up as the FR that shows up to that scene and there still in the house... and since your not a LEO, be anywhere around a incedent that someone goes off... I will bet that you will be praying that the officers that come to get you out of this sht has enough ammo...

No offence, but do you live in Berkley! (LOL)


Velcro

uh, what?