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Thread: Official Spikes questions/comments thread (new Spikes posts go here)

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    Good thread, I have already formed my opinion on Spikes based off of more knowledgable people than me, AND my experience directly with them and their products.

    I chose a Spikes lower with an MOE stock, Magpul enhanced trigger gaurd, KNS pins, MOE grip for the same price of a standard BCM lower which Id end up upgrading anyway. For me and my uses it was worth it, and Im kind of glad the BCM lower wasnt available at the time because it opened my eyes to Spikes and their products.

    The fit and finish is good, the magwell is flared nicely (Ive seen better and worse) and the Pmags drop free.

    Only 650 rounds mated to a BCM upper but everything has functioned flawlessly thus far.

    The people were very kind over the phone and quick to answer emails. Painless FFL transfer.
    Last edited by Alberto; 04-30-10 at 09:02.

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    Generally speaking, lowers are lowers (as long as everything is in the right place and finished properly). So don't get wrapped around the axle about it.

    Spend more of your time looking at LPK's, RE's, bolt's and barrel's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONFINS View Post
    Here is a nice post on AR15.com about the lowers and who makes the "newer" spikes lowers. The same company as Noveske.
    The "same company" as Noveske? I'll bet that's simply some fanboy trying to up the image of his favorite AR brand (no disrespect meant to Spikes). Why? Because everyone knows that current Noveske lowers are manufactured by Kaiser Defense. If they truly were made by Kaiser Defense, then why wasn't posted that they were made by... Kaiser Defense? Using terminology like "same as Noveske" comes off like someone who's just hoping to compare them to Noveske's quality to self-justify their purchase (pretty common on arfcom). Whatever... I could be wrong...

    If someone has the link to the thread where this was claimed, please PM it to me.
    Last edited by Skyyr; 04-30-10 at 11:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyyr View Post
    The "same company" as Noveske? I'll bet that's simply some fanboy trying to up the image of his favorite AR brand (no disrespect meant to Spikes). Why? Because everyone knows that current Noveske lowers are manufactured by Kaiser Defense. If they truly were made by Kaiser Defense, then why wasn't posted that they were made by... Kaiser Defense? Using terminology like "same as Noveske" comes off like someone who's just hoping to compare them to Noveske's quality to self-justify their purchase (pretty common on arfcom). Whatever... I could be wrong...

    If someone has the link to the thread where this was claimed, please PM it to me.
    I think you're reaching. Even if you're not, who makes the lowers is one of the last things that anyone who understands ARs is going to be concerned with these days.

    No need to PM, it's on the previous page.
    Last edited by rob_s; 04-30-10 at 11:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I think you're reaching. Even if you're not, who makes the lowers is one of the last things that anyone who understands ARs is going to be concerned with these days.

    No need to PM, it's on the previous page.
    Yeah. I re-read it the arfcom post and must have missed it.

    Still, I find it odd to for people to say "same as Noveske" instead of Kaiser Defense - that irks me. Lowers made by the same manufacturer can still differ based on the buyer's specs and isn't necessarily indicative of the final product quality. Sort of like when people try to claim that X-brand of rails are "just as good" as Y-brand without objective, methodological testing.
    Last edited by Skyyr; 04-30-10 at 11:35.

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    I agree, I just don't think it matters in this case. What is Spike's going to do, call them up and say "yeah, we want the exact same lowers as Noveske buys but we'd love it if you could put the pin holes just 6/100ths closer together and make sure they're drilled through at 92.7 degrees so the LPK won't fit. Oh, and make sure to give us that Bushmaster purple finish!"?

    ETA:
    I can't find any mention of Noveske at the barf link.
    Last edited by rob_s; 04-30-10 at 11:37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SevenSixTwo View Post
    And I hope that I didn't come across as being elitist or anything with my post about heading over to a more serious forum. I am not nor will I ever be high speed, low drag; and I don't mean to come across like I am. I joined this forum to learn and to occasionally contribute where I can. After reading my post again (ready, fire, aim) I see how I impied that this wasn't a serious forum. That was not my intent. I know that everyone here is very serious and passionate about what you carry/use. I was referring to the guys over at Prof. Soldiers who are actual SOCOM, Delta, and SFO because I thought it would be a good idea to check out what guys like that think about their own personal and duty weapons.
    Everyone on this forum with the yellow Subject Matter Expert tag fits the above category.

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    The quality control of the end user company seems to be what separates some from others. Company A may get the receivers from the same company as Company B. However, Company B has more stringent QC that rejects a higher percentage b/c they do not meet the TDP(yes, I know only Colt has the TDP). This would make company B have a higher probability of putting out a superior product even though the receivers came from the same place.

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    Wow, people are really getting emotional about this.

    There is no difference between a person saying they got their lowers from "the same company as Noveske" and "Kaiser Defense."

    Noveske gets their lowers from Kaiser Defense.
    And, Spike's gets their lowers from Kaiser Defense.
    Therefore, Spike's gets their lowers from the same company as Noveske.

    That was easy.

    The individual mad about this seems to be more upset about the fact that a person ignorant of where Noveske gets his lower receivers might confuse Spike's with being as good as Noveske, which on this forum is not an area of concern.

    Noveske once got his lowers from CMT, but that doesn't make Stag rifles as good as Noveske rifles and we know that. The same applies to Spike's.
    Last edited by justin_247; 04-30-10 at 13:52. Reason: Edited for grammer and wording...

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    Spikes AR Pistol

    Well I got my pistol all assembled.

    Spikes complete lower with
    MIAD Grip
    Magpul BAD
    Magpul Rear Sling Plate

    Spikes Concussion V2 Upper
    SS 7.5" Barrel 1in8 twist
    Eotech XPS2
    Magpul MBUS
    Streamlight TRL-2

    Range Report:
    Ran about 90 rounds through it last night, one failure on the second round, and I think that was a bad round, it had a dent in it. After that ran great, did not cycle a couple of times completely for my son but he was limp wristing it, once he held it tight it cycled great, he also had a cycling issue on my Glock 27 which has always cycled fine. Need to sight it in a little better but with a cheek weld on the buffer tube, glad I got the buffer tube cover, I was putting rounds in a pie plate area without issue at 50 yards without a rest, was putting rounds in a 3 in circle off a rest.

    All in all I am very satisfied with it and look forward to putting a bunch of rounds through it and getting the sights zeroed in.

    Carolina Smoke and Guns
    Licensed Class 3 Firearms Dealer
    Consulting on NFA Items


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