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    Quote Originally Posted by randolph View Post
    I think the current drum beat over there is
    "well, no one else shows their paperwork, why should tom"
    specifically, pointing to Grant
    You can follow the thread, but it was very clear that Tom had also offered them for his customers. No customers, that I am aware of, have seen them.

    It is probably in the best interest of this thread to leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randolph View Post
    I think the current drum beat over there is
    "well, no one else shows their paperwork, why should tom"
    specifically, pointing to Grant
    Actually, if Tom had stuck with that attitude from the outset I would fully support it. The problem now is that he's said "they're sitting right here", and "I'll show it soon", and yet nothing has materialized. I think it's understandable that people want to see what they were "promised" and see it in a timely fashion.

    I *think* he's working on something more than simply "here's the certs" (at least that's what he keeps alluding to) but people are understandably going to draw their own conclusions.

    Asking Grant for certs does nothing but expose the ignorance of those posting drivel like that. Grant is not a manufacturer. These are the same people that if (and I say IF) it was shown that Spike's was selling barrels made of licorice they would still blather on about how it's the best licorice ever and that their sample has been "flawless".

    I do think it's important to draw a distinction between Spike's and their customers. Many of the droolers turn a lot of people off from the product, and that's unfortunate. Right or wrong, potential customers are going to base their decisions, at least in part, on who else owns them and the behavior of those same people.
    Last edited by rob_s; 08-02-10 at 09:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    How much time?

    They have to know and understand that this looks bad. Reading through the thread on TOS you even have a coupe of drooling "fanboys" starting to get disenchanted. Only the die-hard ostriches seem to still be holding fast.

    This isn't anything against the product. If the barrel isn't as being represented the gun itself is still a good value at the price, but a lot of people are going to have an issue with buying one thing and getting another.

    Which is, as I say, IF. They say that it is one thing, and that they have paperwork to show it. I have a small inkling of what Tom was working on behind the scenes but I think this whole drama is getting a little long in the tooth, and I'd like to see it put to bed with the documents that should exist already.
    Agree.

    If I was a AR manufacturer and was losing my current customers and future customer, my PRIORITY would be to get at least some kind of document(s) up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by randolph View Post
    I think the current drum beat over there is
    "well, no one else shows their paperwork, why should tom"
    specifically, pointing to Grant
    This is incorrect. BCM showed some and did a great write up about their process.

    "Grant" doesn't have to show anything as he is does not build his own brand of AR's. I would even say that Tom doesn't have to show any docs either. Just one problem though. He has said on this forum (in March) that he would produce them. Then he said it later in his forum. Then followed that up with "Soon."



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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I do think it's important to draw a distinction between Spike's and their customers. Many of the droolers turn a lot of people off from the product, and that's unfortunate. Right or wrong, potential customers are going to base their decisions, at least in part, on who else owns them and the behavior of those same people.

    BINGO! Why don't manufacturers realize that their "drooling" fan boy base can really put off serious customers? I would normally believe that manufacturers try and discourage this type of behavior and activity (as they get it). In Spikes case, I think that they actually encourage it with their "punisher" type Stickers and other fan boy crap. When you make and put out stuff like that, you are catering to the immature, angry white male phenomena.

    Fanboy discussion here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=56349




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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    How much time?

    They have to know and understand that this looks bad. Reading through the thread on TOS you even have a coupe of drooling "fanboys" starting to get disenchanted. Only the die-hard ostriches seem to still be holding fast.

    I finally decided to stop by the old but rarely missed stomping ground and see what all the fuss was about. Twenty-Two pages later......well......

    All I can say is that place is a haven for rodents. And if he wanted to bitch about there being too many pages he could have clarified that issue from the beginning.

    Anyhow, will you be wanting any personal guards at SHOT this year, Grant? I will be there this year and am good for something in that regard. Afterall, he did say that when he sees you "It's on".
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    This is incorrect. BCM showed some and did a great write up about their process.

    "Grant" doesn't have to show anything as he is does not build his own brand of AR's. I would even say that Tom doesn't have to show any docs either. Just one problem though. He has said on this forum (in March) that he would produce them. Then he said it later in his forum. Then followed that up with "Soon."
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    I dont think Spike's wants their name mentioned with BCM... it makes them look bad

    I never really considered Spikes to be a manufacturer. Are they considered one because of their liscense type or do they actually manufacture something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randolph View Post
    I dont think Spike's wants their name mentioned with BCM... it makes them look bad

    I never really considered Spikes to be a manufacturer. Are they considered one because of their liscense type or do they actually manufacture something ?
    They have the same license that I have (07 FFL). This means that they CAN manufacturer firearms. The term "manufacturer" is really incorrect for MANY companies. Meaning that very few actually build anything. So a better term would be "assemblers." This is of course nothing wrong with just assembling parts and getting your logo put on a lower. Where the problem happens (for many "manufacturers") is that they do not do any (or little) QC on their end. They expect/assume that the manufacturer (that actually makes the components) is doing it for them. They might be. They also might not be. The AR "manufacturer" is also not dictating the quality of the part. This is why it is so important to put in your puchase orders EXACTLY what you want. You of course cannot do this if you don't know what you don't know.

    Colt, for instance, does NOT make everything in house. They do however do their own QC. So when they get parts in, they go into solitary confinement. Once they are inspected and meet the TDP standards, they are put into the main line for use.


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    Thanks for clearing that up.

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    But they are working on these.

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    http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum...oon-at-Spike-s
    Last edited by shadow65; 08-03-10 at 19:52.
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