I don't think there will be much hue and cry over the testing of this upper...I thought the tag was interesting, though, and new (to me).
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I don't think there will be much hue and cry over the testing of this upper...I thought the tag was interesting, though, and new (to me).
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Well I suppose I have no decency. You see I don't work for Spike's. And I also didn't tell people that I would produce documentation that proves the MPI process is being used. They did and have yet to make it public after they said they would.
I am not preading disinformation- I am simply stating a fact and that is that they haven't provided the proof that they said they would provide. Pretty simple if you ask me.
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After all of this reading I still have questions.
Since, it all seems to boil down to the HPT'ing. If Spike's were to fire one M197 round in their rifles, and then MPI'd the bolt and barrel, they would be considered mil spec? I was looking over MIL-C-70599A(AR), and this seems like it would be the case. It also doesn't seem that, that would add 2-300 to the cost. They would just need to shoot it once before testing. How much is M197 anyway?
3.4.4 Hiqh pressure resistance. Each barrel assembly end
bolt shall withstand the firing of one Government standard M19?,
5.56mm high pressure test cartridge conforming to MIL-C-46936.
After proof firing, parts shall be free of cracks, seems and
other injurious defects as evidenced by visual and magnetic
particle inspection.What was really disturbing was the amount of malfunctions that were allowed.4.7.4.3 Bolt inspection. The bolt shall be magnetic
particle inspected in accordance with MIL-STD-1949 utilizing
standard five turn magnetizing coil with a current of 200 to 300
amperes. Both circular and longitudinal continuous magnetization
with wet fluorescent solution shall be used. The bolts shall be
examined
defects.
for evidence of cracks, seams and other injurious
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Still trying to figure all of this out, but is this information that got everyone so heated? Or is it the price?
I've read the Bravo Company certs, but to be honest have no idea what I'm looking at. Also DD doesn't seem to do the HPT'ing either, so should I not be looking at those either?
How is the TDP different from MIL-C-70599A(AR)
Not backing up claims for one, there are other issues, I believe it was mentioned in more detail over the past few pages here.
That seems to be all they are lacking, at least out of the important requirements. As far as the pricing of it goes, I cant speak to that, but I know from the pricing we pay at work for testing that it is not cheap.
I believe that was a website error and that they produce a milspec gun.
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Well after 3 weeks, 9 scotches, and a bottle of Excedrin I have officially completed reading this thread.
My conclusion is testing and documentation GOOD, no testing or documentation...BAD!
We are all intelligent adults(well most of us!), and we know where to go to find the gear we require, want, or desire. There are those who buy based on price. Some buy based on quality or availability. Many decide based upon many variables. If you want top tier gear you know where to go. If not you know where to purchase gear further to the right of "The Chart". The poll has spoken, 7 out of 10, 70% choose a top tier manufacturer. Numbers don't lie, unless it is an election year. 70% is good enough for a passing grade, good enough for me.
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I recently bought my first AR-type rifle and gave serious consideration to Spike's. I didn't know about the milspec standard until I found this site and discovered 'The Chart'.
For what I'm going to use my rifle for, non-milspec would have been fine. If Spike's barrels aren't milspec steel or if the bolts aren't tested a certain way it still seems like they make a fine rifle for a great price.
What it boiled down to for me was a question of credibility. If Spike's rep hadn't said he would post something and then didn't post it, I would likely have a Spike's rifle now. Just didn't want to spend my hard earned money with somebody that I felt didn't live up to their commitment.
Since someone has brought up Daniel Defense I have been in contact with them. More info will be forthcoming.
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I tend to relax on the subject of barrel steel. One of my friends has put 2 S&W 5.45 barrels through absolutely incredible abuse. They've both lasted 12,000+ rounds. Are those barrels MPI/HPT? Are they 11595-E? I'm not sure but I doubt it. I know they're not hammer forged. MTR07 and I had no problems with ours during a 3-day VTAC course.
Last edited by Boss Hogg; 08-13-10 at 08:29.
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