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  1. #711
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    I'll bet your son enjoys that blaster.

    Enjoy !
    Last edited by VooDoo6Actual; 04-30-10 at 14:07.

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    he does but he can really chew through 40 S&W. Was trying to help a guy next to me with an AR cycling issue, long story but in short ended up he had a rifle spring in a carbine lower. For some reason my Stag carbine upper would run on it, must be a little over gassed but his would not cycle at all, maybe a little under gassed. During that time frame my son emptied every round of 40 I had with me and wanted more, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    Everyone on this forum with the yellow Subject Matter Expert tag fits the above category.
    Thanks Katar! I just learned something today! Always wondered about the SMEs.
    "Perfect Practice Makes Perfect"
    "There are 550 million firearms on this planet. That's one firearm for every 12 people. The question is... How do we arm the other 11?" Lord of War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Wow, people are really getting emotional about this.

    There is no difference between a person saying they got their lowers from "the same company as Noveske" and "Kaiser Defense."

    Noveske gets their lowers from Kaiser Defense.
    And, Spike's gets their lowers from Kaiser Defense.
    Therefore, Spike's gets their lowers from the same company as Noveske.

    That was easy.

    The individual mad about this seems to be more upset about the fact that a person ignorant of where Noveske gets his lower receivers might confuse Spike's with being as good as Noveske, which on this forum is not an area of concern.

    Noveske once got his lowers from CMT, but that doesn't make Stag rifles as good as Noveske rifles and we know that. The same applies to Spike's.
    I think what the poster is trying to say is that "same place as Noveske" is a way of comparing Spike's to Noveske without having proof to back it up or even knowing anything about Kaiser Defense. One thing M4C prides itself on is knowing what we are talking about and showing proof about where we obtained the information.
    "Perfect Practice Makes Perfect"
    "There are 550 million firearms on this planet. That's one firearm for every 12 people. The question is... How do we arm the other 11?" Lord of War.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    The individual mad about this seems to be more upset about the fact that a person ignorant of where Noveske gets his lower receivers might confuse Spike's with being as good as Noveske, which on this forum is not an area of concern.
    Sorry to disappoint you, but no one got mad over this discussion (unless you did and happen to be posting about yourself, which would be rather, well, sensitive).

    The poster above me is correct.

    And there is a difference in saying "the same company as Noveske" and saying Kaiser Defense. Don't believe me? If the maker of Vulcan/Hesse lowers happened to make Spikes lowers (and they happened to be of good quality), you wouldn't have said "The same company as Hesse." Therefore, the very phrasing associates Spikes with Noveske and is misleading.

    Noveske rejects a majority of the lowers received from Kaiser Defense (the only keep "perfect" lowers) and many of those rejects are the same quality as Spikes. Does that mean it's correct to say that Noveske would consider a majority of Spikes lowers as rejection-quality? Hmm... that statement is true, but it still has an agenda.
    Last edited by Skyyr; 04-30-10 at 17:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    Everyone on this forum with the yellow Subject Matter Expert tag fits the above category.
    And now I know. I haven't seen one post in this thread, but I will keep my eyes peeled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyyr View Post

    Noveske rejects a majority of the lowers received from Kaiser Defense (the only keep "perfect" lowers) and many of those rejects are the same quality as Spikes.
    ........
    The poster above me is correct.

    You mean when he said this?
    One thing M4C prides itself on is knowing what we are talking about and showing proof about where we obtained the information.
    Last edited by BudJr; 04-30-10 at 20:17.

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    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=318113

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...f=282&t=166787

    I am not saying Spikes is worthy of the same price tag as Noveske. I am sure Noveske hand selects the better looking lowers. All I was attempting to point out was if they come from the same manufacture, then if all your wanting is a gun to shoot and not be a gun safe queen, then Spikes seem to be a good choice. Maybe the Noveskes are hand selected or have an extra step in machining, I really do NOT know the answer. The above websites are some interesting reading.

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    A few years old now, but this is a great interview with John Noveske. Mostly he talks about his barrels, but he does mention the lowers:

    Noveske: The lowers on our rifles are made by CMT [Continental Machine and Tool]. We had some made by LAR [LAR Manufacturing, Inc.] with a B prefix on the serial number, but that was a limited production run. We have a PO into another company, but it will depend on approval of the samples.
    http://www.defensereview.com/noveske...view-part-one/


    But as has been said already, Noveske certainly seems to be the "pickiest" about the components he purchases, and who makes the lower is really not a huge deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BudJr View Post
    You mean when he said this?
    Yes.

    And I'm not sure by the wording of your post, but if you're asking how/what I'm comparing the lowers to, some of the Spikes lowers I've handled have had more cosmetic "blems" than my Noveske seconds lowers. I'm positive they are simply cosmetic in nature, but they would've been tagged as seconds by Noveske nonetheless (to be fair, the same could be said of most manufacturers, as Noveske seems to be the pickiest of all manufacturers).
    Last edited by Skyyr; 04-30-10 at 23:54.

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