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    Interesting news story: "War stretches nation's ammo supply"

    Old news, new news story:

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    War stretches nation's ammo supply By MIKE WILSON, Associated Press Writer
    Mon May 21, 1:58 AM ET

    Ammunition shipments to local gun shops and police departments are being delayed for months because the Army has more than tripled its demand for small caliber ammunition.

    Ammunition plants have dramatically ratcheted up production, but company officials acknowledge delays to police and retailers of up to a year.

    "There are millions of rounds backordered because the war has put such a demand on the manufacturers," said Lana Ulner, manager of Rapid City, S.D.-based Ultramax Ammunition, a distributor for several manufacturers. "In some cases, it can take eight to 12 months."

    The Army's demand for small caliber ammunition has soared from 426 million rounds in 2001 to 1.5 billion rounds in 2006, according to the Joint Munitions Command at the Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois.

    The government spent $688 million on ammunition last year, up from $242 million in 2001, said Gail Smith, a Joint Munitions Command spokeswoman. The most common rounds ordered are 5.56 mm, 7.62 mm and .50 caliber, she said.

    Much of the ammunition used by the Defense Department comes from a plant in Lake City, Mo., owned by Alliant Techsystems Inc. The plant's production has increased nearly fourfold, said company spokesman Bryce Hallowell.

    "We have ... hired hundreds of people and turned our plants into 24/7 operations where they weren't just a couple of years ago to meet that demand," said Hallowell, whose company also has plants in Anoka, Minn., and Lewiston, Idaho. "We're running full-out."

    He said the war, depleted ammunition reserves and the lack of foreign competition have all contributed to the surging demand.

    The strong sales helped Minnesota-based Alliant's ammunition systems group see a 10 percent increase in sales for the fourth quarter and a 15 percent for the last fiscal year.

    "The increase reflects higher volumes in medium-caliber gun systems and ammunition, civil ammunition and military small-caliber ammunition," the company said in a statement.

    Ann Pipkin, a spokeswoman for East Alton, Ill.-based Winchester Ammunition, said the company also is seeing a backlog on orders for certain types of ammunition, but she wouldn't give specifics.

    Because of the increased demand, police in Des Moines said it's taking twice as long to get ammunition orders as a few years ago — up to eight months. Still, the department has not decreased it use of ammunition.

    "We're not experiencing any shortages, but they are planning ahead to accommodate for the delay caused by the war," said Sgt. Todd Dykstra, a police spokesman.

    Larry Maynes, owner of JLM Gun Shoppe in Urbandale, said military ammunition and weapons are popular with his customers because the mass production makes them less expensive.

    "I have some in stock, but it won't be easy to replace," he said.

    In most cases, customers buy the military-style weapons for target practice, but some people use them to shoot small animals, Maynes said.

    "Guys like those for prairie dogs and coyotes primarily," he said.

    At Darr's Shooting Supply in Chattanooga, Tenn., the wait for some types of ammunition was four months at the end of 2006, said salesman Jeff Brewton.

    Given the Army's need for ammunition, he said few customers complain.

    "There hasn't been a whole lot of problems," Brewton said. "They ... understand what's going on."

    Jeff Lepp, chief executive of Specialty Sports & Supply, a high-volume dealer in Colorado Springs, Colo., agreed.

    "I certainly concur that the military should have the ammunition in a situation like this," Lepp said.

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    On the Net:

    Joint Munitions Command: http://www.jmc.army.mil

    Alliant Techsystems: http://www.atk.com

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    So who wants to open a plant to make just .223 ammo? I know of 4 mothballed plants that are just sitting there with the equipment just find me the components and we are in business.

    Ok I will stop dreaming of my dream job.

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    Ammo and fuel are killing me. And I don't even shoot that much, just like 500 rounds per month. I uses to be able to buy m193 for half what I can get it for now. I have been reduced to buying WWB for my outings. Even that has gone up form $8 bucks to $12 per 40 round in the last few years!

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    I cant even find winchester white box so you are one of the lucky ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffhounddog View Post
    I cant even find winchester white box so you are one of the lucky ones.
    Exactly what I was thinking! I wish I could find WWB....

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    I bought a 1000rd. case of Winchester 62gr full metal jacket today. Cost $380.00!
    Never thought I'd see the day, Unbeliveable!
    "Among the men who fought on Iwo Jima, uncommon valor was a common virtue."
    - Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, US Navy, 16 March 1945.

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    I'm not sure all this adds up.

    If we civi's get the Lake City lots that fail QC then we should be seeing more surplus ammo on the market. If they have only a 1% failure rate, 1% of 1.5 billion rounds is a lot of wammo.

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    I guess it's time to go buy more powder, lead and primers!!!! All 3 of my local fun stores have a very small selection of .223 etc.. yesterday I saw American Eagle 9mm 115 fmj box of 50 for 14.99 Ouch!!! I can make it for $5.00 per box.... Off to buy components when they open at 10:00

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    Post W.W.B. is out there

    Within the last 2 weeks I bought;

    800 rounds of w.w.b. .45 for $33/box

    500 rounds of w.w.b. .45 for $27/box

    3,100 rounds of w.w.b. 9mm for $15/box

    and I was glad to get it. I could not find any w.w.b. carbine ammo.
    Cold Zero

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    I know the pistol rounds are out there I was talking about the .223 ammo.

    I guess paying 7.20 for American Eagle .223 is not bad anymore

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