Why isn't this scope more popular?

[No Bananas]

The XTR would be a better choice I think.

Personally, I would save a little more money and look at Vortex.


C4

I assume you're talking about the Vortex HD 1-4 model? Why would you pick this one? Constant Eye Relief?Better than Nightforce?

[ryan]

I was actually also looking at the Leupold VXIII 1.5-5. Tell me about the VX-2 model.

I have 2, one is mounted on a shorty 45/70 and has taken all the abuse that can dish out with heavy handloads, the other is on my Ar as I do alot of hunting. For $300 or less its hard to beat, lots of eye relief, will take a beating and its a Leupold.

[bkb0000]

they're hunting scopes.. you're not gonna get much "precision" out of them. but like ryan says, they're tuff. thats what leupold does.

i have a VXII that's taken some pretty serious abuse through the moutains of oregon in the last 12(?) years, atop a magnum and then a recce. they'll give you DCOM at any distance you're capable of, but don't expect tight groups unless you've got a super-glue cheekweld.

[ryan]

they're hunting scopes.. you're not gonna get much "precision" out of them. but like ryan says, they're tuff. thats what leupold does.

i have a VXII that's taken some pretty serious abuse through the moutains of oregon in the last 12(?) years, atop a magnum and then a recce. they'll give you DCOM at any distance you're capable of, but don't expect tight groups unless you've got a super-glue cheekweld.

They do good out to 300 yards on the AR, the 45 on the other hand with LE bullets 200 is about max

[vaspence]

The Bushnell Elite series is IMHO the best deal out there for good glass. As good if not better than Leupolds Vari X II (although I still have one Vx II on my .270) and the pricing is great. I've beat the tar out of the 3 I have during the last 7 years or so of hunting seasons (I average 50-60 days per season) and they have held up well. I run them on a .260, a muzzleloader and a 7mm TCU with no problems. Also have one on my T/C Contender .22LR match squirrel gun. Dawn til dark they work well. Is there better glass out there? Yup but not in their price range.


All that said, I run a Leupold 1.5 -4 on my AR.

[Artos]

Sadly, a medium priced optic is what I can afford for my project. I want to save $$$ to spend on a long range optic/project, which is next. This is a medium range optic/set up so the magnification of this scope seemed optimal. I'm also considering a Burris XTR 1-4 (which is really stretching the budget), or a Leupold 2.5-8x VXIII. Something around the $400 price range is optimal. I know, I know, my choices are limited and my expectations should be, too. My personal preference is an optic wil minimal or no eye relief variance.

Bananas...my dad has a xtr 1-4 he may part with if you want me to ask. It's like new in box but he's thinking of just going to a red dot.

[No Bananas]

One thing that concerns me about the XTR is that the adjustments are 1/2 MOA instead of 1/4. When I settle down on the bench and I want to shoot groups is that an issue at 300 yds and in? I won't be looking to shoot gropus and further than 300.

Also, how big (MOA) is the center dot?

[No Bananas]

I'm also considering the Sightron Big SKy II 1.25-5 (also 1/2 MOA adjustments)
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=277536

[ryan]

FWIW the Leupold has 1/4 moa adjustments

[Artos]

One thing that concerns me about the XTR is that the adjustments are 1/2 MOA instead of 1/4. When I settle down on the bench and I want to shoot groups is that an issue at 300 yds and in? I won't be looking to shoot gropus and further than 300.

Also, how big (MOA) is the center dot?

Good question...it's mounted on one of his carbines but he has not even sighted it in. I can't give you a hands on answer either as I've never fired with one. This may give me a reason to go play this next week. I may be all wet but from what little i have messed with his xtr is that it really is more of a minute of angle noggin scope like an acog compared to a precision between the eyes 300yd sniper reticle. FWIW.