lucid hd7

[MassMark]

Is it possible to find something from one of the lesser-known mufacturer's that can take being on a carbine that gets 12k+ rounds through it in a year's time? Sure, possible, and it's great when it happens. America loves the underdog, and it's great for a company to come into its own and start being truly successful, as long as they've PLANNED for success and can keep up with demand without sacrificing QC. Doesn't tend to happen.

That was one helluva rant - love the personal attacks, (hello pot? kettle?), in order to prove my point. It is indeed possible... Thanks so much - hope it was worth your time...It's funny that some of those who rant about this place becoming like "TOS" - just because someone has a dissenting opinion, are themselves guilty of sinking it further into the swamp with needless personal attacks. By the way, reading comprehension can often be coupled with writing comprehension, of which you seem to be lacking yourself...

Thanks for the good read...I'll leave this thread and continue on my merry way...

[JSantoro]

I'm not good enough to think about making personal attacks while simultaneously expressing dislike for the general dissemination of bad info carried out by the many-many. It's not exactly unique. Your comment ended up being the cited example by simple merit of being there.

By merit of it being there, I pointed out that it's technically and fiscally incorrect, but that's only because....it is. It happens. Don't think for a moment that I haven't had any opportunity to have to pry my foot out of my mouth from time to time; I have. Unfortunate, that you felt singled out.

In regard to the particular optic in question, it very well could be somebody's answer for a mild- to moderate-use optic: hunting with a RDS, bench shooting, pure square-bay training (maybe). It does a pretty good job of holding zero, but don't put too much trust in claims of no zero-shift with change from one reticle to another of the 4 offered; pick one and stick with it. The mount's okay, but you'd better like lower-1/3 co-witness, 'cuz you're stuck with it. Otherwise, the adjuster knobs stick out too far and get ripped off fairly easily. The threads where the magnifier mounts are a weak point, strip and shear when taking an impact like hitting the deck hard to go prone in a hurry.

It's an answer to different questions that what's being asked of an Aimpoint, EOTech, or similar RDS, is all. The questions that aren't non-Euclidean geometry or string theory.

[mncarbine]

My life long motto has been bang for the buck. What is the best product that I can buy for the least amount of money.

1. 99.9% of the people on this forum will never be in a combat or life and death situation (I am not referring to those in the military or LE)

2. Reliability is not as important to those who do nothing more than shoot targets at the range, or gophers out back behind their house

3. Price paid is never a measure of quality

4. As has been said here, these things are neither rocket science, nor are they made of expensive components. Have any of you seen the DIY red dots?

5. I wish we could produce technology here at the Asian price point, but we can't for a wide variety of reasons. Even if we wish to do otherwise, I bet everyone here complaining about Chinese "stuff" has something Chinese under their roof, guaranteed.

6. Also, as mentioned here, when I was young, Jap was synonymous with junk. Then the Jap stuff was good and Taiwan was junk. Then Taiwan was good and Korea was junk. Then Korea was good and Malaysia or wherever was junk. I drive a Toyota because it has the highest reliability of all car manufacturers. Something I never though I would say in my lifetime. It isn't Chinese, but it is Asian (mine was made in Japan). Even now we are building Japanese brand cars here in the US!

7. I detest those who steal someone's design, that is another matter. This isn't a rip-off product, it has some innovative features setting it a part from the more expensive optics.

8. I could go on and on, but want to leave you with another example. In the 60's I was in the car business. GM made the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac. Insider sources said the actual cost of materials difference between the Impala and the Cadillac was $150. Most of that was undercoating, insulation, and other sound deadening materials to give the Caddy a more luxurious ride and a little more chrome. The Impala was $3K, the Caddy was $6k. People paid the $6k and were happy, and the people who bought the Impala were happy. Was the Caddy twice as good, hell no! Was it the best bang for the buck, hell no. Did it last longer, go faster, or anything else that mattered, hell no.

I found this forum while on my own search for information on this product and the other similar products. I would like to spend $300 or less on an optic because I refuse to pay as much for the optic as the gun it is attached to. Do Aimpoint and Eotech make great products, yes, they sure do. Are they worth the prices they charge, hell no. As stated earlier, when you price the components used in the manufacturer of them, there is nothing to justify the price. As far as development/R&D costs, both of those companies have more than paid off their research costs on military sales, not even counting civilian sales. It isn't unusual to pay for more a start up product due to those initial costs. Once you get past that point, a hunk of aluminum, some glass, and some electronics just isn't worth $1000, not when the R&D costs are more than paid for already.

I don't have a boat in this race, I don't own a red dot. I have a Weaver 2-9X I bought for $20 new where I grew up (in El Paso) when they were still made there. Since then I bought a Bushnell 4200 3-9X. Now I am looking for a red dot and want the best bang for the buck I can find. I have eliminated from consideration those under $100 as we know that although most do the job they were intended for, and they are good values, I want something that will last for as long as I will be around to use it.

That left me with a couple models to consider. The Bushnell Trophy MP and the Vortex Strikefire. I talked to Vortex when buying the Bushnell and almost bought a Vortex at that time, but frankly, the free fleece coat won me over to the Bushnell at the time. The Vortex people were great on the phone and their service dept. has gotten rave reviews.

The other day when searching the local Craigslist for a used Eotech or Aimpoint I found an ad by a local seller for the HD7. I had never heard of it before which is how I ended up doing the research I did and ended up here. I think the local buyer I am referring to is mentioned here.

What is great about the country we live in is we can have this discussion, we can choose what to buy, and we can rant and rave all we want, one way or the other. When it is all said and done, we make our choices and have to live with them, and I suspect if an HD7 is in my future, I will be happy with it. Putting down someone's choice doesn't make what you have better, it just lowers you on the ladder.

Happy shooting!

I still don't know what I am going to buy, but right now I am leaning towards the HD7 based on the research I have done.

[Alaskapopo]

My life long motto has been bang for the buck. What is the best product that I can buy for the least amount of money.

1. 99.9% of the people on this forum will never be in a combat or life and death situation (I am not referring to those in the military or LE)

2. Reliability is not as important to those who do nothing more than shoot targets at the range, or gophers out back behind their house

3. Price paid is never a measure of quality
4. As has been said here, these things are neither rocket science, nor are they made of expensive components. Have any of you seen the DIY red dots?

5. I wish we could produce technology here at the Asian price point, but we can't for a wide variety of reasons. Even if we wish to do otherwise, I bet everyone here complaining about Chinese "stuff" has something Chinese under their roof, guaranteed.

6. Also, as mentioned here, when I was young, Jap was synonymous with junk. Then the Jap stuff was good and Taiwan was junk. Then Taiwan was good and Korea was junk. Then Korea was good and Malaysia or wherever was junk. I drive a Toyota because it has the highest reliability of all car manufacturers. Something I never though I would say in my lifetime. It isn't Chinese, but it is Asian (mine was made in Japan). Even now we are building Japanese brand cars here in the US!

7. I detest those who steal someone's design, that is another matter. This isn't a rip-off product, it has some innovative features setting it a part from the more expensive optics.

8. I could go on and on, but want to leave you with another example. In the 60's I was in the car business. GM made the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac. Insider sources said the actual cost of materials difference between the Impala and the Cadillac was $150. Most of that was undercoating, insulation, and other sound deadening materials to give the Caddy a more luxurious ride and a little more chrome. The Impala was $3K, the Caddy was $6k. People paid the $6k and were happy, and the people who bought the Impala were happy. Was the Caddy twice as good, hell no! Was it the best bang for the buck, hell no. Did it last longer, go faster, or anything else that mattered, hell no.

I found this forum while on my own search for information on this product and the other similar products. I would like to spend $300 or less on an optic because I refuse to pay as much for the optic as the gun it is attached to. Do Aimpoint and Eotech make great products, yes, they sure do. Are they worth the prices they charge, hell no. As stated earlier, when you price the components used in the manufacturer of them, there is nothing to justify the price. As far as development/R&D costs, both of those companies have more than paid off their research costs on military sales, not even counting civilian sales. It isn't unusual to pay for more a start up product due to those initial costs. Once you get past that point, a hunk of aluminum, some glass, and some electronics just isn't worth $1000, not when the R&D costs are more than paid for already.

I don't have a boat in this race, I don't own a red dot. I have a Weaver 2-9X I bought for $20 new where I grew up (in El Paso) when they were still made there. Since then I bought a Bushnell 4200 3-9X. Now I am looking for a red dot and want the best bang for the buck I can find. I have eliminated from consideration those under $100 as we know that although most do the job they were intended for, and they are good values, I want something that will last for as long as I will be around to use it.

That left me with a couple models to consider. The Bushnell Trophy MP and the Vortex Strikefire. I talked to Vortex when buying the Bushnell and almost bought a Vortex at that time, but frankly, the free fleece coat won me over to the Bushnell at the time. The Vortex people were great on the phone and their service dept. has gotten rave reviews.

The other day when searching the local Craigslist for a used Eotech or Aimpoint I found an ad by a local seller for the HD7. I had never heard of it before which is how I ended up doing the research I did and ended up here. I think the local buyer I am referring to is mentioned here.

What is great about the country we live in is we can have this discussion, we can choose what to buy, and we can rant and rave all we want, one way or the other. When it is all said and done, we make our choices and have to live with them, and I suspect if an HD7 is in my future, I will be happy with it. Putting down someone's choice doesn't make what you have better, it just lowers you on the ladder.

Happy shooting!

I still don't know what I am going to buy, but right now I am leaning towards the HD7 based on the research I have done.

I have to disagree with point 3. In my experience you generally get what you pay for. Good stuff costs more. Just the way things are with few exceptions.
Pat

[BudMan5]

I have been using the HD7 for almost a year now.

First, I am a retired police officer and also a retired active duty Infantry 1SG (11Z50) so I have some expience

I have used the HD7 at the range and for three gun competitions.

I find that it is rght on the money, holds the zero even through battery changes which is amazing to me (I am not a tech person) and I am deadly accurate with it.

For my purpooses, this is a real sweet optic. If SHTF or the zombie apocolypse started tomorrow, I am all set. I now have several friends shooting with theirs and they agree with me.

[R3V3LATIONS]

I havent owned one, but simply looking at the way those that do own/want to own one argue or articulate thier reasoning behind the selection for this optic is that it is cheap.

well I wont disagree with you there. But ask yourself this, if said optic is as good as the others, why doesnt this company charge as much as the others? becuase they are kind and caring? Or is it becuase if they priced thier optic at the same rate as the more desirables, people would subject them to harder use and discount them...

Now Im just throwing this out there as something to think about. For those that have them, I really hope it is that good, and dont care regardless. What Im saying is utilize some more critical thinking. Alot of the respected veterns of this site, like JSANTORO, for instance, got to be well respected for a reason, becuase they know what they are talking about, have alot of hard use on kit, and time behind a gun...in confrontational/combative situations. Also, you asked for thier opinion, dont get mad when they give it to you. If you really believe this product is so good or so much better, why post the thread? go buy it and be happy.

[LUCIDHD7]

WOW. interesting thread.

I was alerted to this discussion, and thought it may be a good idea to post in here and provide you all the opportunity to get the facts straight from the source.

I am Jason Wilson, Primary and Founder of LUCID. If I can answer anything please let me know so we can cut through the senseless product bashing from those who have no experience with the optic. Then get on with a thread that actually has something to say constructive.

LUCID is a relatively new company, and thus so are our products. We have been out since 2009. Since our launch we have proven the products with LE & Military professionals alike. In over 5000 units only (1) warranty issue has been due to "manufacturer defect".

With multiple independent reviews of the performance of the LUCID products available on line. Do a little research, if you still have issues and questions I would welcome those conversations. Direct feedback from our customers is how we will drive our new product development moving forward.

So with that, if you have questions, please feel free to contact me directly. jason@mylucidgear.com or my cell 307-840-2160.

[hals1]

I have to disagree with point 3. In my experience you generally get what you pay for. Good stuff costs more. Just the way things are with few exceptions.
Pat

I don't know about point three, but in my experience you pay for what you get. That doesn't keep you from paying inflated prices for what you want. (I'm nobody's fanboy, except maybe BCM).

[ryr8828]

I have a lucid hd7 on my sig 556er. I took the sig in on trade and found a used lucid on a forum that I bought to put on it.
It's ok. The only problem I have with it is I bought a screw in magnifier for it and it didn't fit. Since I bought it used it turns out it was a gen 1 and they don't accept the magnifier. That's no one's fault but mine however.
I think I like it a little better than the vortex strikefire I put on my fs2000.

I have a couple of aimpoints and the great thing about them is the battery life, it's apparently unmatched by anything anywhere. I didn't have to mortgage the house for either of them, I got them for under $400 new a piece. Just from looking around.

[TriedandTrue]

Other reviews point out that any optic that can have the reticle seen when viewed from the front isn't combat capable. Many lower priced red dots do that, and I've yet to see them claim they would be good for the application. These aren't combat optics.

I know this thread is old but I was looking for info on the Lucid HD7 because I thought it would be a nice add to the M&P MOE 15 my Unit just did a group buy on, and came across the above quote. I don't know how familiar you are with "combat optics" but the Aimpoint CompM4 which is on my M4 along with 80% of the rest of the conventional Army, allows the red dot to be seen from the front. From my experience with the Aimpoint, its ONLY tactical advantage, is the extreme battery life.