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    Quote Originally Posted by sproc View Post
    A what? Do you mean an LMT upper converted by LWRC?


    That would be outstanding. Looking forward to it.

    Negative.
    I mean a Lewis Machine Tool Gas Piston Rifle with the Monolithic Rail system.
    It's LMT's latest addition to the lineup, and you can see and read all about it in the totally KICK ASS latest issue of "Book of the AR15" by Guns and Ammo Magazine..
    LMT has their own gas piston rifle now, and when you see the pics of the piston, you will see what I mean by it looking quite unique, as compared to any of the other gas pistons.
    I'm still trying to find pics of the POF system, as it's the only one I've not seen yet. The POF is the only one that does NOT use any type of spring anywhere in the system...
    I'm dying to own an Hk, LWRC, or LMT? (dunno, would have to see what the LMT's all about first, and how it compares to the others...)
    I am absolutely DYING for us to all reach the point, where we have determined WHICH gas piston rifle(s) will reign supreme over the others...(That is, IF any particular model(s) do end up defeating all others)...!
    I just don't have the loot to buy one of each, not to mention the POF and LWRC are the only brands really readily available at this time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSHNT2015 View Post
    I have the POF, LWR-a LMT conversion job, Bushmaster gas piston AKA POF and a Colt M4 in my hands. I will compare as soon as I can get the range time set up. In the meanwhile, I will take some pics of all in the next few days.


    BSHNT!!!!
    ALL I can say is, YOU DA MAN BRO!!!! I would LOVE to know what you think of POF vs LWRC.
    I realize that they could totally both end up being equal in quality, in the long run, (after thousands and thousands of rounds), however, as with EVERYTHING else in life, there has got to be some kind of "Edge" that one holds over the other I would think??
    Regardless, I'm still super interested to see the POF pics, AND hear your thoughts of POF vs LWRC...
    (I'm personally leaning towards LWRC) at this time, for my gas piston purchase. However, this is solely because the Hk's just aren't realistically available at this time...
    What a shame Hk doesn't grab the world by the balls and start producing here in the States yet. They'd dominate the hell out of the market, IF they did it RIGHT... (ie - reasonable prices like the rest of the world)...

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    POF & LWR

    photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/?action=view&current=1180797354.pbw

    OK, hopefully this will work as a slide show for the POF and LWR ( LMT conversion ). The gas piston technology-POF and short stroke piston-LWR are well made and nicely finished products. The workmanship was fantastic on both. The LMT upper was already a great product but enhancement from LWRC, kinda like plastic surgery for Ms Lohan, made it nicer.

    The LMT upper originally started off as a traditional gas tube upper. Like some out there, I was wanting more out of the AR system and reading the web and bloggers out there. I decided to put my hard earn $$$ out there to see what
    was available. Do you hear me HK?

    Respectfully to both companies, I had NO problems with ordering, shipping, delivery, or customer service. All e-mails and phone calls were dealt with. My LEO status did give me some advantage.

    As you can see, the finished products offer different advantages. The POF barrel was fluted and the front sight assembly can be removed. The BCG on the POF was finished in a nice bright nickel finish. This POF upper was an early version prior to POF making the BCG a solid piece unit. Please refer to their websites for details. The gas rings on bolt for the POF were removed.

    The LWR conversion using some of my original LMT parts were transplanted into the new BCG. The dull nickel finish was equally well done by LWR. The gas rings on the original LMT bolt were left on. I will find out if this makes any differences in operations or performance when the next phase begins at the range. Both BCG were slick and smooth. LWR did not offer a fluted barrrel, I may be wrong but didnot ask them about it.

    As to $$$$, the POF upper can be purchased as a complete unit. I am not sure if they are doing conversion job yet. Since I had a LMT upper already and did not want to make another purchase, I tried to save some $$$$ here. The conversion job from LWR was around $675-700. Please check with both companies for pricing. An complete upper for POF was around $975.00-1200.00, depending on the type of rail system you buy and a complete upper from LWR was about $1200.00, again what rail system can increase cost.

    Breaking down both systems were fast and easy, POF a bit easier and faster. The upper on the POF had a nice teflon finish on the charging handle and interior of the upper receiver. With the LWR conversion, you need to remove the hand guard. The POF gas piston vs LWR short stroke gas piston, nice finish on both and each had advantages and smaller parts to work with. If I left something out , please remind me or ask. It's Saturday and I'm not awake yet.

    I will follow up in the next few weeks, hopefully to shoot all the AR, tough job here . Since the Bushmaster was a copy of the POF, licensed to them. I did not feel the need to take pics-but I will later. The BCG for the BM was kept basic, no nickel finish or enhancements. The original Colt, well lets just say enough said. Range report to follow. Cheers. PLease cut and paste web link
    to view slide show, I couldnot get the pics to download here.
    Last edited by BSHNT2015; 10-24-07 at 19:04. Reason: link

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    POF & LWRC

    Sorry for the delay getting back. I was amazed with how many recent articles were popping up regarding LWRC and POF.
    My very simple test of shot them both resulted with similar findings like in all the published articles. Meaning the rifles works. This was not meant to be scientific test, rather a "fun" test for me. I am not a gun magazine writer, just someone who wanted to try a "new gadget" out. Refer to 2007 Guns & Ammo Book of the AR-15, an article on both the POF and LWRC.

    Both rifles had no problems with FTF or FTE, no major mechanical issues other then POF ejection port cover spring broke during the test. Both rifles ran hot, I suggest using a nomex glove. The POF was easier to take apart. I had to call LWRC and get their help to take apart the LWRC, they told me they would update their website with "how to" section.

    I ran both rifles with Federal (55 gr) and some Hornady (75 gr). Both loads were accurate with the 75 gr showing a tighter group. My simple test was to see how each rifle would do and to satisfy my curiosity. I spoke with other operators who had some minor issues with their BM built POF and a POF owner who had some trouble in a AR class. I did not experience any chambering issues with the POF or LWRC. I can only speak for myself and say I had no major problems.

    From a daily use, I appreciate the fact, you spend very minimal time on cleaning the LWRC or POF. I can see the difference compared with my DI Colt 6920 after approximately 1K rds. Yes I am lazy. I did not experience or notice any
    stringing-vertical hits, of rds by either rifles. My co-worked mentioned this to me with his BM/POF.

    I am satisfed with the LWRC and POF. I will shot more when ammo comes in and try to updates this as much as possible. If you are in the market for a LWRC or POF and have some extra cash to spend, why not. I like the LWRC. I have to give the POF back to my buddy. I like what the gas piston technology offers and if this is the future of the AR, what a great way to go.
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    POF & LWRC

    POF and LWRC uppers. The LWRC was a LMT DI upper converted to gas piston. The pics were taken after shooting it. The last pic is LMT BCG on top with POF BCG on the bottom, no jokes please. A pic of the HK BCG for comparison.

    http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...1180797354.pbw
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    I have has zero problens with contact of POF

    Greetings from Montana!

    I have had zero problems in regards to contact with POF, I call ... they anwer, if I email Chris...he responds

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    +1 for good POF service

    Had a Timney trigger fail from a complete POF lower, aside from having to pay for shipping, had it replaced in ~1 week.

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    Early Timney triggers had some issues, once the problem was identified, Timney retooled, and addressed the issue. With my POF I requested that it have a standard trigger and not the Timney as I feel the Timney is too light for a duty weapon. I also feel that any of the guys who I loan it out to during courses would find the trigger too different from their own M16/ AR15s during drills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    Early Timney triggers had some issues, once the problem was identified, Timney retooled, and addressed the issue. With my POF I requested that it have a standard trigger and not the Timney as I feel the Timney is too light for a duty weapon. I also feel that any of the guys who I loan it out to during courses would find the trigger too different from their own M16/ AR15s during drills.
    Have any problems with it???


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