Here's a few pic of my POF with the Troy rail modified by Randall. Thanks for good job Randall!
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Here's a few pic of my POF with the Troy rail modified by Randall. Thanks for good job Randall!
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I don't think the 416 lower is an NFA item. The extra pictogram for auto doesn't make it so. If it were drilled for an auto sear pin, you'd be right, but the ones shown on their website do not. But I'm not positive, so one would be prudent to confirm with them. That said, unless one has an RDIAS, and select-fire-enabled RLL, isn't a civilian, etc., having an AUTO pictogram on your SA-only rifle seems silly, IMHO.
According to info and pics posted on TOS by POF in January, they plan(ned) to offer Troy and DD options in addition to the MRR. And here's an email purportedly from POF to that effect (emphasis mine):
And here's a pic of the Troy rail posted on TOS by POF in January. Looks great to me. Hopefully they still plan to offer it, but there's no way to know since POF went dead silent in early April on that thread:Originally Posted By Multicast [on TOS]:
This is the email I got from POF.
Thank you for the interest in the newest member of the Gas Piston Weapon System. The P-308. We will begin taking orders from FFL Dealers beginning January 15, 2007. Expected delivery is May 2007.
P-308-16-DD-CF-308-CARBINE - Semi-Auto Integral-Key Bolt Carrier, Billet Machined 7075-T6 Flat Top Upper, 16.5"" Std. Fluted Barrel, C.R.O.S., Daniels Defense Mid-Lenght Rail, FTA-2005 Front Site, Troy Folding Rear Battle Site, FMCP-B5 Muzzle Device, .308 cal. / 7.62x51mm. Billet Machined 7075-T6 Lower w/ POF-USA "Ambi-Bolt Release Lever", Timney Drop-In 4 Lbs. Single Stage Trigger, Tango Down Battle Grip, Magpul "CTR" retractable Buttstock w/ mil spec tube. FTA-2005 Front site. MSRP $2275
P-308-16-TROY-CF-308-CARBINE - Semi-Auto Integral-Key Bolt Carrier, Billet Machined 7075-T6 upper, 16.5" Continuous Fluted Barrel, C.R.O.S., Troy Ind.Mid-Length Rail, Ladder Rail Covers, FTA-2005 Front Site, Troy Folding Rear Battle Site, FMCP-B5 Muzzle Device, .308 cal. / 7.62x51mm. Billet Machined 7075-T6 Lower w/ POF-USA "Ambi-Bolt Release Lever", Timney Drop-In 4 Lbs. Single Stage Trigger, Tango Down Battle Grip, Magpul "CTR" Buttstock w/ mil spec tube. MSRP $2200
P-308-16-MRR-CF-308-RECON - Semi-Auto Integral-Key Bolt Carrier, M.R.R.(Modular Railed Receiver) Billet Machined Upper 7075-T6, 16.5" Std. Fluted Barrel, C.R.O.S., M.R.R. Slim Extended Full-Length Rail, Ergo Ladder Rail Covers, FTA-2005 Front Site, Troy Folding Rear Battle Site, FMC-B3 Muzzle Device, .308 cal. / 7.62x51mm. Billet Machined 7075-T6 Lower w/ POF-USA "Ambi-Bolt Release Lever" & Integrated Oversized Trigger Guard, Timney Drop-In Single Stage 4 Lbs Trigger, Tango Down Battle Grip, Magpul "CTR" Buttstock w/ mil spec tube. MSRP $ 2325
P-308-20-MRR-CF-308-SPR - Semi-Auto Integral-Key Bolt Carrier, M.R.R (Modular Railed Receiver) Billet Machined 7075-T6 Upper, 20" Continuous Fluted Barrel, C.R.O.S., M.R.R. Slim Extended Full-Length Rail, Ergo Ladder Rail Covers, FTA-2005 Front Site, Troy Folding Rear Battle Site, FMC-B3 Muzzle Device, .308 cal. / 7.62x51mm. Billet Machined 7075-T6 Lower w/ POF-USA "Ambi-Bolt Release Lever" & Integrated Oversized Trigger Guard, Timney Drop-in Single Stage 4 lbs Trigger, Tango Down Battle Grip, Magpul Precision Rifle Stock. MSRP $2400.
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The only negative I've heard about LWRC as a company was during the .499 group buy and various issues with the previous management. Since the new management from the Grenadier Precision merger took over, I've heard nothing but good. And I've never heard any negative info on their rifles. That ( in addition to me being convinced they have a better, more reliable system) led to me placing an order for an LWRC recently (I don't have it yet, so I can't comment on it yet).
I recommend you spend some time over at the LWRC forums. There's a lot of good information on their design, and it's clear they are very responsive to customers, including being active on their own forum. If nothing else, watch their video.
Regarding piston versus DI, that's a personal call, of course. I went that way because I want at least one gun that I feel confident would run and run over a long period of time even under the worst of circumstances. The price for an LWRC M6 is about only $100 more than a Colt LE6920 and probably less than a Sabre. But if the alternative is a Stag and you don't care about 1/7 barrels and such, I admit the premium is pretty high. So I'll probably but a Stag, too, to make it all even out. :-)
Sproc, I was referring to the 5.56 versions. Are they going to offer uppers in 5.56 that will take other RIS's without having to machine them? I hope so. I was hoping to be able to get one that would accept different RIS's namely KAC's since I have an extra one laying around. They told me via email in Feb that their RIS was the only one that would fit naturally, and that any others would need to be machined in order to fit. It was a deal breaker for me. Since the proprietary uppers are bulky. Huskydog's post gives me hope though. I'm kind of on a limited budget on my next AR build, so I'm trying to keep costs down, and I don't know any good armorers in the local area.
Gentleman,
I'm still trying to determine WHICH brand of Piston AR to go with.
-LWRC
-POF
-OR, possibly wait for the Hk, or even the LMT, which has been made, but not released.
Does ANYONE here know the differences between these gas piston designs? Mainly, referring to the LWRC and the POF, since they are available, or will be real soon.
I just want to buy the highest quality system, and I realize they are all relatively new, but I figure someone's got a little more info on how they are made, and which one might be better.
Anyhow, regardless, I would like to know what it is about LWRC's piston design, that I have heard is no good?
I have heard several people say the LWRC system is not as good as the POF system, but I'm wondering if this is all BS, or if there is some merit to it all?
Anyone here own BOTH an LWRC AND POF?? (or any other brand(s) for that matter?)
I'm now super interested in the new LMT piston rifle, but I have no idea IF or WHEN it will be available???
There is more than just LMT coming out.![]()
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Well I've spoken to Tina at Specialized Armament, and the Colt LE1020 won't even start production until 2008, and that could ALWAYS get pushed back even FURTHER.
Aside from the Colt, there is talk of Hk starting production here in the U.S. of the Hk 416/417 as well. However, that is apparently 2008 as well.
Again, this is what I've heard from fairly reliable sources in the know, but of course, nothing is etched in stone.
I know of no other gas piston prospects other than the companies mentioned already in this thread.
Who else is there Stickman??????
I would like to hear more technical info from people in the know, in regards to LWRC vs POF vs Hk vs LMT....
I want to know if there is ANY reason I should NOT buy an LWRC or a POF?????
I would absolutely kill to find someone who has taken pictures of all the systems, and done even an amatuer comparison test between the current gas piston rifles... IF however, it's too early for all that, then I would love to at least get some info on which system might be the best design...
If I weren't in the middle of remodeling my entire house right now, I'd buy a POF and an LWRC (and any other gas piston system as soon as it's available), and I'd do the side by side comparison testing.
I would then start a thread to inform all those interested with good UP CLOSE DETAILED pics with GOOD LIGHTING for all to see....
Damn I cannot wait for the day this is done, either by myself, or someone else... I figured after seeing all you guys who own 20-something DI guns, someone would HAD to have got their hands on a POF AND an LWRC by now....
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