127g +P+ Talon, or something less?

[TiroFijo]

Just wanted to add that according to the NATO 9 mm Para specs, and with velocities corrected for a 8" barrel (4" barrel should be aprox. 120-140 fps less):

115 gr @ 1255 fps --> 402 ft/lbs, in spec. Pretty soft load.

124 gr @ 1475 fps --> 599 ft/lbs, in spec. VERY hot load, probably difficult to achieve with normal powders and their pressure specs.

[PA PATRIOT]

The Philadelphia PD issues Federal 147gr HST H/P's for their 9mm Glocks.

Here is a link from Federal showing different HST and Gold Dot loads being fired into ballistic gel, both plain and obstructed shots.

http://le.atk.com/general/irl/videos.aspx

[Spiffums]

That is my issued duty load and is fine for use in Glocks. Unless you are the Sultan of Brunei you can't afford enough to wear out your Glock 9mm.

But we can try and dream about it.

[PA PATRIOT]

But we can try and dream about it.

My department gives its Officers 100rds of ammunition a day to train with and supplies the range time morning, noon and night so every tour of duty has access. For the Officers that take advantage of this opportunity round counts in the Glocks they carry can exceeded 50,000rds over a course of a career. I don't think I have every heard of a PPD Officer wearing a Glock down to the point were it needed to be retired, but I always tried with my trusty Glock Model-17 with 21 years of heavy use until I gave her a semi-retirement and started to carry a Glock .45acp for duty.

[TroyTK]

My department gives its Officers 100rds of ammunition a day to train with and supplies the range time morning, noon and night so every tour of duty has access. For the Officers that take advantage of this opportunity round counts in the Glocks they carry can exceeded 50,000rds over a course of a career. I don't think I have every heard of a PPD Officer wearing a Glock down to the point were it needed to be retired, but I always tried with my trusty Glock Model-17 with 21 years of heavy use until I gave her a semi-retirement and started to carry a Glock .45acp for duty.

Wow, a 100 rounds a day! My agency gives me 100 rounds a month, and I thought I was pretty lucky to get that. It is good to see police departments encouraging their officers to shoot that often.

[Entropy]

My agency gives me 100 rounds a month, and I thought I was pretty lucky to get that.

You are lucky to get that. I have to beg for a box a month and sometimes I'm lucky to get anything. We're down to only two qualifications a year, and we can only use duty ammo on one of those. All other quals or training has to be with green ammo which does not feel and function like duty ammo.

[Six Feet Under]

A 127gr Ranger SXT +P+ did this to my elbow:



I've shot a couple boxes of it out of my G19 and honestly couldn't really tell that much of a difference recoil-wise.

[Littlelebowski]

Six Feet Under, you're the only other person I know that has been shot through the elbow. I was shot with a 230gr HP .45

Let's chat via PM.

[tpd223]

A 127gr Ranger SXT +P+ did this to my elbow:



I've shot a couple boxes of it out of my G19 and honestly couldn't really tell that much of a difference recoil-wise.

Brother, that's a rough way to test your ammo, I suggest gelatin next time, maybe Doc could loan you some

Seriously though, glad you are still around and in good enough shape to be typing.

[SeriousStudent]

Six Feet Under, you're the only other person I know that has been shot through the elbow. I was shot with a 230gr HP .45

Let's chat via PM.

I was wondering how long it would take you two to connect, after I saw that x-ray.

I hope both of you are mending well.