Elcan Spector DR

[Alaskapopo]

The H-1 is going on a 10.5" 5.56 SBR meant for home defense. I thought that getting the Elcan would give me the 1X for home defense and 4 X for range shooting. Most feedback I received was to the effect that for a SBR the Elcan was overkill and that I should save my money and go with the H1 or T1. Told repeadetly that the H1/T1 will provide me the ability to hit out to 150m which is definitely farther than any distance shooting I may need to do in the home defense situation. So I guess I'll save my money and get a magnified optic for my next SBR which will be in 7.62mm.

For your purposes a T1 or H1 would be fine. I personally prefer having the ability to shoot to the rifles potential. That means one of the following. 1. A good variable power scope. (1-4 or 1-6) 2. A fixed ACOG coupled with a T1 aimpoint in a off set mount. 3. An Aimpoint with a magnifier in a flip to side mount.
Pat

[Rob1622]

Definetly will be looking at the aimpoint/larue 3x flip magnification. I did get some feedback that when looking through the 3X and H1/T1 the dot is blurry. What are you experinces. I've been trying to find to find a picture that shows the reticle throught the 3x and T1/H1at the same time to see for myself.

[Alaskapopo]

I have used a Aimpoint 3x magnifier for a few years behind a M4 2 moa dot. I also used it behind a 4 moa dot on my 22 build which has a Aimpoint ML2 and behind a Aimpoint ML3 2 moa dot. I have astigmatism so the dot looked like a group of dots. It was tolerable but not ideal. I have one rifle set up with a TA33 ACOG and a T1 in an off set mount and another set up with a Swarovski Z6i. I like the Swarovski the best. its a 1 to 6x scope that is very fast for me to use. I have never used a magnifier behind my T1.
Pat

[mkmckinley]

Rob, Can you tell us more about the Gen 3 ELCAN's? What's different about them and how do you tell if an ELCAN you're looking at is GEN 2 or 3? Is there a model number? Are the Gen 3's being sold yet?

[VooDoo6Actual]

1X 4X

"Coaxial Alignment: <1.5 MOA between fields"

http://elcansightingsystems.com/Spec...erDR_1x-4x.php

[Rob1622]

Pat, I love the collection! Very nice.

mkmckinley, what HOPLOETHOS said.

From what I was told the military gen 3 is just like the latest civilian models but in the MRE color. The older ones are more of a bronze color while new new ones are more brownish. This web site has a decent review of the civilian version: http://www.cstactical.com/Optics/Elc...cal-Sight.html

They sell the civilian for $1832. The SOCOM versions usually go for $2100 without a doc optic mount or doc optic. I know where to get it for $2000 with a doc optic mount and doc optic if interested.

[pbr streetgang]

I have 4 rifles, 2 with Eotechs, 1 with an Aimpoint T1, and one with the Elcan spectre DR. I also run Aimpoint 3x mags on the Eotechs and Aimpoint with twistmounts, but the Elcan is my favorite.
Without a doubt the clarity is superior to my other systems but you pay for with the added weight. I'm really hard on my gear and I beat the crap out of my rifles and constantly switch from 1x to 4x and I have never had any issues. As for the weight issue, I suggest a few extra push-ups every day and you won't even notice....

[Rob1622]

I wish I could find a dealer that actually has at least one in stock so I could handle it at see it first hand. I'm reluctanct to spend that kind of money on something unseen. I found a list of distributors on the Elcan web site I'm going to be calling to see if I luck out and find somebody that has one not too far away from Orlando.

[westcoastfrog]

i have a lot of buddies who have had the same poi shift issue. the few guys i know running the issued elcan are still running dr sights on top because of the eye relief on the elcan. i just don't see the point of having a 1-4x scope if you still have to mount another red dot on top of it. i'd rather have a fixed power with red dot on top. if you're choosing between issued optics i would say that the acog with dr set up works well...regardless of the cheek weld issue a lot of guys have been running it for a while now and love it. if you're purchasing optics on your own i would just buy a short dot. just my thoughts.

[Alaskapopo]

i have a lot of buddies who have had the same poi shift issue. the few guys i know running the issued elcan are still running dr sights on top because of the eye relief on the elcan. i just don't see the point of having a 1-4x scope if you still have to mount another red dot on top of it. i'd rather have a fixed power with red dot on top. if you're choosing between issued optics i would say that the acog with dr set up works well...regardless of the cheek weld issue a lot of guys have been running it for a while now and love it. if you're purchasing optics on your own i would just buy a short dot. just my thoughts.

My roommate has a Elcan there is plenty of eye relief on 1x and a red dot is not needed. Also if your going to run a red dot with an ACOG on top is the worst place to put it. A off set mount works better in my experience. The Elcan may have less eye relief on 4x but then again so do ACOGS. (TA 31 has very short eye relief)
Pat