Elcan Spector DR

[dbwebbsr]

I'd heard reference to their "improved" lever(s) but that actually looks quite promising.

Please keep us informed as to what you find out. I'm scary close to pulling the trigger on one of these DRs.

Thanks.

[parishioner]

Recently, I've seen some photos of SF guys with Docter sights on top of their Elcans.

Is this because the 1x on the Elcan is no good?

Or is it just another option, in case the optic is in 4x and they need to take a close shot immediately and don't have time to manipulate the lever?

When I first saw it I was a bit confused because I thought the whole concept behind the Elcan is so you don't have to have an Acog w/docter type setup.

Here is a pic (both rifles on the strap have it): http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6...9f9631d003.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/630...0aj1768004.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9...ykingcct35.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2qkny85.jpg
http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p...izeanforce.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/j8czkz.jpg

I just found quite a few examples of this, so I'm guessing its a pretty common thing to do for whatever reason.

[JSantoro]

Purely speculating, but they could be seeing some POI shift between 1x and 4x, and don't want to bother with it, so the Elcan stays of 4x and they go with a piggyback.

Could be what you mentioned, as well, but then one could reduce weight and simply go with an ACOG (except that's not what comes in the SOPMOD kis, so far as I know).

Something like that is pretty hard to nail down without direct input from the primary source

[parishioner]

Purely speculating, but they could be seeing some POI shift between 1x and 4x, and don't want to bother with it, so the Elcan stays of 4x and they go with a piggyback.

Could be what you mentioned, as well, but then one could reduce weight and simply go with an ACOG (except that's not what comes in the SOPMOD kis, so far as I know).

Something like that is pretty hard to nail down without direct input from the primary source

Yea, I remember reading some reports of a shift when going from 1x to 4x. So I guess like you said, they are possibly zeroing with the 4x and using the docter as their 1x. If so, that kinda stinks they have to carry that extra weight.

[Gray Ghost]

Recently, I've seen some photos of SF guys with Docter sights on top of their Elcans.

Is this because the 1x on the Elcan is no good?

Or is it just another option, in case the optic is in 4x and they need to take a close shot immediately and don't have time to manipulate the lever?

When I first saw it I was a bit confused because I thought the whole concept behind the Elcan is so you don't have to have an Acog w/docter type setup.

Here is a pic (both rifles on the strap have it): http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6...9f9631d003.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/630...0aj1768004.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9...ykingcct35.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2qkny85.jpg
http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p...izeanforce.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/j8czkz.jpg

I just found quite a few examples of this, so I'm guessing its a pretty common thing to do for whatever reason.

WOW VERY cool photos you collected there.
I have the SOCOM SpecterDR and the FDE Doctor mount but no Doctor.
When I bought the Elcan from Kerif I mailed a few of them back to him because they weren't the exact model I wanted but third times a charm and I finally got the one I wanted. I paid for return shipping/insurance twice on a very expensive and heavy little box so I think Ken made it up to me by throwing the FDE Doctor mount in for free.
I was at the range a few weeks ago and was shooting 1 MOA with the Elcan and my SCAR 16S with IMI M855 ammo. I was shooting in 4x mode for about an hour then I flipped over to 1x and shot the same target at 100 yards.
My POI had shifted appox. 4 inches to the right. I'm not sure if I can blame the optic or my shooting for that. At 1x the red dot is 6 MOA making it a pretty large red circle blocking my target. I was able to put about 10 rounds in a 3 inch group but I definitely wasn't shooting 1 MOA anymore without the magnification. So like I said I don't know if it was the reticle basically just completely covering the target and making me shoot to the right or if there's a problem with the Elcan. I emailed Kerif who contacted the US distributor and they explained the POI shift between shooting at 4x with a 1.5 MOA dot and 1x with a 6 MOA dot. They did say they could import/export the optic back to Elcan Canada but it might be a lengthy process so I left it at that. If more problems occur down the road I'll follow up with them but I'd like to get a little more range time in before I make up my mind about the optic.

[bp7178]

Recently, I've seen some photos of SF guys with Docter sights on top of their Elcans.

Is this because the 1x on the Elcan is no good?

Or is it just another option, in case the optic is in 4x and they need to take a close shot immediately and don't have time to manipulate the lever?

When I first saw it I was a bit confused because I thought the whole concept behind the Elcan is so you don't have to have an Acog w/docter type setup.

My first thought was when using it with a gas mask.