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Thread: 16k rounds of Wolf + no cleaning = ???

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    I wonder how the barrels are doing.
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    Boys, when it comes to cleaning, those old Marine Corps lessons/habits do not die easily.

    As a side note though. I do appreciate when our S3 puts Former Marines on 240B and 249 teams! Makes my job a hell of alot more pleasant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBugBit View Post
    Yup. A lot of us with the military background had certain ideas drilled into our minds, like, "take care of your rifle and it'll take care of you". The culture of keeping all gear in the highest state of cleanliness stays with you when you become a civilian gun owner. There's an imaginary arms room sergeant in our heads whose exacting inspection we will have to pass before we can "turn it in".
    I duno, you should see my sock drawer now days...

    Im not much for cleaning now days either. But, my personal guns dont look like that. I clean work guns, because they are work guns.

    There is an utterly disgusting FAL over on FAL files you should see.
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    I don't clean to "white glove" inspection anymore, either, but I still keep my weapons in acceptable condition.



    Speaking of Pat, and not trying to speak for him....but the extensive round counts without cleaning is not supposed to be something people are doing with duty weapons. His specific end goal is to INDUCE failure in a weapon. It doesn't mean anyone here relying on their weapon should be intentionally not cleaning their guns out because Pat ran a gun to 26k without cleaning it.


    And no "white glove" cleaning is not necessary, and that (in a mil sense) has more to do with ingrained maintenance on new recruits, teaching them attention to detail, and importantly eating time than anything. For most of us who have served we can all remember that shit especially with a new q-tip, and if there was any black on that ****er after going over the entire weapon you were sent back for more cleaning. That is "too much" cleaning, and is not needed to keep a gun running reliably. Now I spend 15-20 minutes per gun every 1k-2k rounds, and even still some people claim that is too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnerkd View Post
    Still broke after 16k rounds...
    At todays ammo priced lets say $350.00 for a thousand rounds is $5600.00 The rifle is lets say $700.00. The rifle looks tactical.
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    That is truly impressive. But I too would like to see how long one lasts that is just "wiped off" now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post


    Speaking of Pat, and not trying to speak for him....but the extensive round counts without cleaning is not supposed to be something people are doing with duty weapons. His specific end goal is to INDUCE failure in a weapon. It doesn't mean anyone here relying on their weapon should be intentionally not cleaning their guns out because Pat ran a gun to 26k without cleaning it.
    This. Exactly.

    I can't say for sure but I think the point of this experiment was to see how long the rifle would run on the dirtiest ammo out there.
    I am interested to hear how many stuck cases and other malfunctions there were.
    But as said before, this is kind of a slap in the face to the keep em' spotless or it's a jam-o-matic crowd.

    BTW: I have about the same cleaning regiment as you. Never had a single problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    ........ Speaking of Pat, and not trying to speak for him....but the extensive round counts without cleaning is not supposed to be something people are doing with duty weapons. His specific end goal is to INDUCE failure in a weapon. It doesn't mean anyone here relying on their weapon should be intentionally not cleaning their guns out because Pat ran a gun to 26k without cleaning it.
    True dat. Pat even says that he would never treat a work gun like his personal guns and especially his T&E guns, and nor would I.

    The most rounds I ran through a gun without cleaning was around 4,000 rounds, 2,000 of which were in back to back carbine courses a month apart from each other, with my BCM 11.5" URX II SBR with Triple Tap Brake. After being "brainwashed" lol in boot camp about weapons maintenance, I had to prove it to myself that a carbine could run extremely well without cleaning it and only adding good quality lube (in my case Slip 2000 EWL and also a little EWL 30). I came away from that pretty impressed.
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    All I can say is WOW that is crazy... not going to do something like this myself... but I really would like to know how many Malfunctions... Makes me not feel as abad about using wolf as I used to .
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBugBit View Post
    Yup. A lot of us with the military background had certain ideas drilled into our minds, like, "take care of your rifle and it'll take care of you". The culture of keeping all gear in the highest state of cleanliness stays with you when you become a civilian gun owner. There's an imaginary arms room sergeant in our heads whose exacting inspection we will have to pass before we can "turn it in".
    Exactly!!! As a rule if I plan on shooting for a day or "X number" of hours I also factor time spent afterward for cleaning.

    And it does on occasion happen that something occurs that I can't clean when I get home and it weirds me out until I get it done.

    Yeah its an unconscious response to MANY years in the Army.. But 'm ok with it and embrace it.
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