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    NFA manual 2.1.4 page 7 simply states muzzle to longest point. But... if it measured 26" or less it would be classified as "made from a rifle" category as well as SBR.

    Why don't you just put the max-min length and that removes all doubt.

    Var. 32" thru 27" or whatever it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb-av View Post
    NFA manual 2.1.4 page 7 simply states muzzle to longest point. But... if it measured 26" or less it would be classified as "made from a rifle" category as well as SBR.

    Why don't you just put the max-min length and that removes all doubt.

    Var. 32" thru 27" or whatever it is.
    I think ATF wants one overall length, not minimum-maximum. However, I would say call ATF for a ruling. I put the minimum length on my SBR's when I filed my form 1's. I always assumed that it was the minimum length they were interested in, not the maximum. Has anybody out there ever had an opinion from an NFA specialist?
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    OK, what makes a SBR a SBR? A barrel length of less than 16" or an OAL of less than 26". I'm betting since your rifle can be fired collapsed that would be the number they're looking for. BUT since your barrel is most likely less than 16" it really isn't a determining factor is it? A knowledgeable guy here with a screen name starting with g and ending with 4 uses collapsed length, that's what I went with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireglock View Post
    OK, what makes a SBR a SBR? A barrel length of less than 16" or an OAL of less than 26". I'm betting since your rifle can be fired collapsed that would be the number they're looking for. BUT since your barrel is most likely less than 16" it really isn't a determining factor is it? A knowledgeable guy here with a screen name starting with g and ending with 4 uses collapsed length, that's what I went with.
    I believe it's an "either/or" type thing. Inherently a barrel length of less than 16" is considered a SBR. But I suppose in a bullpup design like the P90, Aug, Tavor, et al., one could feasibly have a 16" barrel but with an overall length of 26" or less. I understand with the current design of these carbines, that is not the case, but I think you can see the possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WEC View Post
    I believe it's an "either/or" type thing. Inherently a barrel length of less than 16" is considered a SBR. But I suppose in a bullpup design like the P90, Aug, Tavor, et al., one could feasibly have a 16" barrel but with an overall length of 26" or less. I understand with the current design of these carbines, that is not the case, but I think you can see the possibility.
    That's what I said, "or". But I do think you get the picture.
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    OK, what makes a SBR a SBR?

    From ATF 5300-4

    (8) The term "short-barreled rifle"
    means a rifle having one or more barrels
    less than sixteen inches in length
    and any weapon made from a rifle
    (whether by alteration, modification, or
    otherwise) if such weapon, as modified,
    has an overall length of less than
    twenty-six inches.


    That is the point of the questions for barrel length and OAL. You could apply for a SBR stamp and if they only asked what is the length of the barrel you might say 18". So then they need to know what is OAL. Say 25". That is an SBR. EDIT: ...and I meant to say 25" collapsed. But if you gave them extended OAL it might be 27". So you would have an 18"/27" non-SBR until you collapse the stock and I don't think that is going to fly.

    The two questions answer the 16" and 26" aspects of the regulations.

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    EDIT: Case for shortest oal
    Last edited by tb-av; 06-24-10 at 07:42. Reason: additional info

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    Finally found a reference. A letter from the ATF can be found at the below link that states the OAL should be measured with stock extended. Use and apply at your own peril.

    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/show...9&postcount=46
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    Quote Originally Posted by kry226 View Post
    Finally found a reference. A letter from the ATF can be found at the below link that states the OAL should be measured with stock extended. Use and apply at your own peril.

    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/show...9&postcount=46
    Good sleuthing!

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