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    Quote Originally Posted by Country DeVil View Post
    Interesting, what do navy seals use? I assume they spend some time popping out of water and shooting.
    They make "water-tight" bags to carry your weapon in. The ones I'm familiar with are just a transparent plastic bag roughly the dimensions of the box your weapon came in. You put it in the bag and then seal it. I think I remember seeing some on Ranger Joe's if you actually wanted to purchase some.

    I've also heard of "SEAL-types" using condoms over the barrel of their rifles or SMG's or whatever. Not sure of the validity of that one. Just something I heard through the 'private news network'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Country DeVil View Post
    Interesting, what do navy seals use? I assume they spend some time popping out of water and shooting.
    What they use is a technique or method, not a particular type of gear.

    You come out of the water, pull the charging handle to the rear so that the bolt clears the chamber and tip the barrel downward so that you introduce a clear opening so that air can flow in and water flows out (down). Magazines with holes in the baseplates are helpful, but with or without them, cracking open the bolt a touch is the surest way to get the water out of the most important portion: the barrel, because water doesn't compress. Might as well have concrete in the bore.

    Just think of a straw in your MacDonald's Happy Meal drink: you seal the top with the tip of your finger, pull the straw up out of the fluid, the fluid in the straw stays there. Remove that finger from the tip, it plummets out.

    Anybody that thinks that folks practice just simply jumping out of the water and shooting has been watching too many Chuck Norris movies, unless the Director's Cut shows the barrel exploding in his face but he kills everybody anyway because he's Chuck f**kingNorris. Maybe, somewhere out there, some bubba-gun-owning half-wit can claim to have done it with no effect. I don't think so, but if that half-wit exists, you either want to hang close to him because he's the luckiest SOB in the world....or get the hell away from him because you're gonna catch shrapnel from whichever harebrained event the Magic 8 Ball randomly comes up with the You're Hosed message.
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    ^^ Also realize that in many of the OTB testing videos you may see that don't use some version of what is described above; the weapon may successfully fire, and fire several times. What you don't see is that the the barrel is likely ringed/ruined...
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    ^^^

    I used to shoot competitive trap, and can't count the number of multi thousand dollar guns I saw get FUBAR'd just because of a stuck plastic wad in the barrel.

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    Unless you are shooting a piston gun, you better allow the weapon to drain before firing. Otherwise, you are asking for a KB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Piston guns are not immune from blowing up if there is a bore obstruction (like water). And with a DI system if you drain the bore you are going to drain the gas tube at the same time.
    I'm not saying their immune but (in theory, to me, there are definitely others more experienced.) with a piston gun there isn't a gas tube to drain, so there is a little more room for error, also, when the gun comes to surface most of the water would be coming out of the barrel anyway wouldn't it?

    To me:

    It's not about specifically clearing the weapon, it's more about deploying it properly so that the water clears the bore, as you draw, or rise from the water.
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    It will drain, sure. Not particularly quickly, and simply presuming that the stuff will drain, while techincally correct, is still sort of presumption on the part of the operator.

    Cracking the bolt a bit, you can see a greater volume come out of the barrel, which gives you a visual reference for when the water is more or less done draining as the flow slows down/stops.

    It's no different than doing a press-check to ensure that you're Condition 1 or a visual/manual check of the empty chamber to ensure that you're Condition 4. You "inspect what you expect."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post
    What they use is a technique or method, not a particular type of gear.

    You come out of the water, pull the charging handle to the rear so that the bolt clears the chamber and tip the barrel downward so that you introduce a clear opening so that air can flow in and water flows out (down). Magazines with holes in the baseplates are helpful, but with or without them, cracking open the bolt a touch is the surest way to get the water out of the most important portion: the barrel, because water doesn't compress. Might as well have concrete in the bore.
    +1, This is exactly how we cleared our weapons in the small boat company. Our crew serves where in waterproof plastic bags. I wouldn't recommend doing this unless you have some very deep pockets. The saltwater really shortens the life of the weapon. Yuo could easily tell who was in F Co 2/1 even in the middle of the desert....we had the rifles that looked like RRA match rifles from a distance.

    Something else....if you need to engage as soon as you pop out of the water.....someone didn't do their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clasky View Post
    Unless you are shooting a piston gun, you better allow the weapon to drain before firing. Otherwise, you are asking for a KB.
    You better drain it even if it is a piston gun. Any .22 cal (5.56) bore will hold a column of water thru capilary attraction. Like J. Santoro said, think of a soda straw as it is about .22cal in diameter.

    Piston hasn't got a damn thing to do with it. Bore obstruction is everything.

    A .30 cal bore will self-drain if you just tip it down. The surface are vs volume is low enought for gravity to overcome the Van Der Waals attraction.
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