Does anybody else reload like this?????

[theblackknight]

So Im week 2 in to USMC range coaches course. Aside from actually feeling like I'm serving my country and not just sitting in a office all day, Ive been lolzing hard at all the "techniques" and firearms hear say I see from my fellow students.

Theres one I cant get over tho. While the powerpoint and the current MCRP (http://www.pointshooting.com/freemar.pdf)state that when doing a speed reload (weapon dry,@ slidelock) your should bring the weapon back into the workspace.

Now, I do this, most of you prob do this, and most of the big industry instructors Ive seen all reload like this, but one of the instructors "strongly suggjested" we reload with the pistol at full extention, because even at slidelock, the enemy still sees a gun pointed at them. Now, Im obviously not Mr HSLD, and I have no problem trying something new, but when I did, I was slow, and missed getting a smooth seat a lot. I went back to my fast and accurate workspace reload.

BUT the rest of the class taught this was just great. So I have to ask, does anybody here do this?


The rest Im just trying to keep hush about. Aperently, the "Correct" grip for ISO stance is weapon hand normal thumb forward,and suppprt hand, fingers straight, thumb backwards.

I hope I make it out with my IQ intact.

[ROCKET20_GINSU]

I can't reload for crap like that, just my .02. I believe that as long as you are using good gun safety and running the gun efficiently there shouldn't be any problems if you do things differently.

GU

[Buck]

That reload method was adopted with the M9 by both the Suck and the City of LA in the early 1980s... The reload taught in PMI School back in 1989 was...

With the pistol fully extended, finger off the trigger, support hand aquire a fresh magazine in the three finger loading grip, as you are bringing up the fresh magazine, eject the old magazine and they pass in the air like two ships... Seat the magazine with the heal of the support hand, the primary thumb hits the side release, and back on target...

The "New" reload where we bring the pistol into the work space and use the support hand thumb to release the slide, that most of us do now, came from the gamers who have sold their souls to the timer and are worried about their splits...

I think "most" A list shooters today use this type of reload due to the fact this it is both easier and faster than the old school way we used to teach...

B

[halfcocked]

I just opened that file and dragged the slider bar down to somewhere in the middle. It stopped on a page where it recommended tying a loop of 550 cord to the Beretta 92 hammer to aid in cocking the gun... I would see anything else coming out of that manual as suspect after seeing that.

The military is not exactly the forefront of pistol technique and for good reason (they have rifles).

[nickdrak]

The military is not exactly the forefront of pistol technique and for good reason (they have rifles).

Nor are they at the forefront of rifle training/technique either....

[halfcocked]

Nor are they at the forefront of rifle training/technique either....

touché.

[nickdrak]

Im just sayin'

[Surf]

...but one of the instructors "strongly suggjested" we reload with the pistol at full extention, because even at slidelock, the enemy still sees a gun pointed at them. Now, Im obviously not Mr HSLD, and I have no problem trying something new, but when I did, I was slow, and missed getting a smooth seat a lot. I went back to my fast and accurate workspace reload.

BUT the rest of the class taught this was just great. So I have to ask, does anybody here do this?

Well if he can see your barrel pointed at him, he can probably see your slide locked, if not, he can probably see your mag eject as you retrieve another fresh magazine from your person and insert it into the pistol. But why in the hell can he see any of this to begin with, but more on that in a second.

Now if he would have used a more legit argument that a lesser trained individual may actually be better served with keeping their sights in a more extended and aligned position so that they become quicker with better accuracy in an engagement after the reload, I might swallow it a bit better.

As I just mentioned above, the thing that usually makes this kind of talk pretty much a moot point, is that if you are standing around while doing this reload as the bad guy observes you doing it, you are an idiot, or a dead man to begin with. We will, or should be hauling ass looking for some hard cover or hovering behind it, with our head up and pistol in a position to produce lesser exposure while being able to observe our pistol reload at the critical insertion moment, all while keeping a good eye on the bad guy or our potential threat areas. You can easily see how things unfold or how a reload really takes place in force on force type of scenario's, with say Simunitions.

I do know that I am much quicker and even more consistent with a compressed, high in the workspace reload, standing still or more importantly when tucked behind cover or when hauling ass. I don't haul ass well and reload well with the weapon extended. I am convinced that this type of a "compressed, high in the workspace" reload is quicker and more forgiving when in a dynamic moving environment of combat, or even gaming styles of shooting. I think the 2 translate well. Now I am not talking about how we release a slide but the pistol and body position during the reload.

Of course we need a base model of technique to learn and adapt a style, but we may wish to attempt to train a style that may be much more conducive to what we see that really happens in force on force encounters.

Just my feelings on the topic and YMMV.

[19852]

I have no combat experience, nor police. But I think the way to impress my enemy is in the speed of my reload.

[sinister]

I have no combat experience, nor police. But I think the way to impress my enemy is in the speed of my reload.

I've found the quickest way to impress him is with the number of holes I put in him -- but that's just me.

Your (and the knuckleheads teaching this technique) mileage may vary.