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    Quote Originally Posted by rljatl View Post
    Consider the Nightforce high ultralight rings. Monty at Centurion recommends them. They are much lighter than a LaRure Mount. You can save close to half a pound by using the ultralight rings.
    A bit of a stretch- the 30 mm LaRue mount only weighs 6.8 oz. Amazon list the NF Ultralight rings at 5.6 oz, but that's the only published weight I've seen on these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Wow, didn't mean to rattle the cages...although when you discuss specs and mk 12's all the internet seals come out to play
    Nice one, so when you are clearly not in the right and you get called out on it you resort to name calling? Awesome, all I needed to know.


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    Another reason I like LaRue mounts more for this mission is they come with steel inserts for the screws. On the NF rings you are screwing steel screws into AL threads.



    Now I just wish LaRue would make an SPR mount with more than 10MOA down angle to it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by decodeddiesel View Post
    Nice one, so when you are clearly not in the right and you get called out on it you resort to name calling? Awesome, all I needed to know.

    You're the one getting upset. He listed a few things he'd rather have on his "mk12 type rifle". If there's a pissing match to be had, you're the one trying to start it... he has given OPS credit where due; you're trying to write AAC off completely because they lack a military contract... IMO that is reminiscent of mall ninja logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by organdonor View Post
    You're the one getting upset. He listed a few things he'd rather have on his "mk12 type rifle". If there's a pissing match to be had, you're the one trying to start it... he has given OPS credit where due; you're trying to write AAC off completely because they lack a military contract... IMO that is reminiscent of mall ninja logic.

    He gave other reasons beside that. Quite a few actually. I, too, don't care for AAC as a company nor do I think their products are any better than anything else out there. I wouldn't care to use a can where the mount causes a loud PING! every time you shoot the gun. In fact I took off the Blackout mount I had because I couldn't stand it.



    No need with the personal insults. I don't really think it has a place on this board, and its a quick way to get an otherwise informative thread locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by organdonor View Post
    You're the one getting upset. He listed a few things he'd rather have on his "mk12 type rifle". If there's a pissing match to be had, you're the one trying to start it... he has given OPS credit where due; you're trying to write AAC off completely because they lack a military contract... IMO that is reminiscent of mall ninja logic.
    Post reported. Also check your PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decodeddiesel View Post
    Post reported. Also check your PM.
    ur so mad lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    He gave other reasons beside that. Quite a few actually. I, too, don't care for AAC as a company nor do I think their products are any better than anything else out there. I wouldn't care to use a can where the mount causes a loud PING! every time you shoot the gun. In fact I took off the Blackout mount I had because I couldn't stand it.



    No need with the personal insults. I don't really think it has a place on this board, and its a quick way to get an otherwise informative thread locked.
    decoded is the only one calling names here; he just chooses to do it via private message.

    edit: and I'll post my response to his PM here for posterity

    Yes, I read the entire thread. You're the only one getting upset here. Was it really necessary to report my post? Calm down and grow up.

    Also, learn to follow your own argument... you pretty much ended up agreeing with every improvement he suggested:

    RE the suppressor: "yes the AAC can is slightly lighter than the Ops Inc"

    RE the Noveske barrel: "OK perhaps the intermediate gas system is "optimized" for an 18" barrel"

    RE the stock: "the UBR is a nice stock for sure and I would absolutely prefer one to an A2"

    those are all your quotes... and you ended the specs argument by stating that "I suppose I should have specified I meant a MK12 MOD1 with the NF optic initially."

    After that you continued to harp on AAC, after acknowledging it as the superior suppressor, for not having a military contract. Again, you're the only one getting upset here and the only one, afaik, resorting to name calling(I am not an "****ing AAC fanboy" as you put it in that lovely private message you sent).
    Last edited by organdonor; 06-26-10 at 16:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by organdonor View Post
    decoded is the only one calling names here; he just chooses to do it via private message.

    edit: and I'll post my response to his PM here for posterity

    Yes, I read the entire thread. You're the only one getting upset here. Was it really necessary to report my post? Calm down and grow up.

    Also, learn to follow your own argument... you pretty much ended up agreeing with every improvement he suggested:

    RE the suppressor: "yes the AAC can is slightly lighter than the Ops Inc"

    RE the Noveske barrel: "OK perhaps the intermediate gas system is "optimized" for an 18" barrel"

    RE the stock: "the UBR is a nice stock for sure and I would absolutely prefer one to an A2"

    those are all your quotes... and you ended the specs argument by stating that "I suppose I should have specified I meant a MK12 MOD1 with the NF optic initially."

    After that you continued to harp on AAC, after acknowledging it as the superior suppressor, for not having a military contract. Again, you're the only one getting upset here and the only one, afaik, resorting to name calling(I am not an "****ing AAC fanboy" as you put it in that lovely private message you sent).


    There are pluses and minuses to every part.

    Just because the AAC can is lighter doesn't mean overall its a superior product. The Brakeout mounts produce a distinctive ping. I wouldn't want my hypothetical Mk12 equipped guy letting everyone know he is there by that ping. It would be an easy sound to pickup, and target.


    I would agree in a civilian setting there are improvements that can be made but they are not significant, and there is nothing wrong with the way military guns are setup sans the ARMS mounts (and LaRue mounts do show up from time to time). Preference in a product does not mean the non-preferred product is not fit for the job or does just as good of a job in a general sense. The stock doesn't really change anything. The barrel doesn't change anything. The optic could be improved upon but you can still put rounds on target with a Leupold or NF. Something is an improvement only if it changes the way the gun operates, and how effective it is. There is nothing wrong with the mil-spec barrel because the gun operates just fine with it. Going to a Noveske isn't going to improve the guns functioning as it functions just fine already. The UBR would add a significant amount of weight, and I didn't personally like the one I bought. It limits cheek position whereas the A2 and SOPMOD do not. You can shoot NTCH or all the way back on the stock if you want with those, and you cannot with the UBR.


    I don't care about your PM's. Take it up with whoever sent it to you or a mod/staff if you want to. This is the AR forum not the vent your PM frustrations forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    There are pluses and minuses to every part.

    Just because the AAC can is lighter doesn't mean overall its a superior product. The Brakeout mounts produce a distinctive ping. I wouldn't want my hypothetical Mk12 equipped guy letting everyone know he is there by that ping. It would be an easy sound to pickup, and target.


    I would agree in a civilian setting there are improvements that can be made but they are not significant, and there is nothing wrong with the way military guns are setup sans the ARMS mounts (and LaRue mounts do show up from time to time). Preference in a product does not mean the non-preferred product is not fit for the job or does just as good of a job in a general sense. The stock doesn't really change anything. The barrel doesn't change anything. The optic could be improved upon but you can still put rounds on target with a Leupold or NF. Something is an improvement only if it changes the way the gun operates, and how effective it is. There is nothing wrong with the mil-spec barrel because the gun operates just fine with it. Going to a Noveske isn't going to improve the guns functioning as it functions just fine already. The UBR would add a significant amount of weight, and I didn't personally like the one I bought. It limits cheek position whereas the A2 and SOPMOD do not. You can shoot NTCH or all the way back on the stock if you want with those, and you cannot with the UBR.


    I don't care about your PM's. Take it up with whoever sent it to you or a mod/staff if you want to. This is the AR forum not the vent your PM frustrations forum.
    He negated his own argument and is the one nit-picking; that's all I meant to point out. I have no horse in this race so I will argue no further. The only thing I take issue with is robbing a product of it's merits only because the company lacks a military contract... to say that that sort of logic is ignorant and reminiscent of mall ninja logic... well, I stand by that. It wasn't, however, meant as a direct insult toward decoded.

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