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    Here is a question for the OP that will get this back on track:

    What is your budget for rifle and does that include what you have available for all accessories and ammo, including optics?

    I wouldn't spend it ALL on just a rifle. I'd have to have enough money for optics and ammo at the very least, if it were me.

    If you're stretching your budged to $1900 total just because the LMT caught your eye, don't go for it. You'll stretch yourself too thin.

    If you don't care how much you spend on a rifle and $1900 is just what you figured you'd spend because you like the LMT and have another grand sitting around for ammo and optics, then buy the LMT, buy an Eotech or other $500 optic, and a case of ammo and a few mags for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuicideHz View Post
    For YOU. Don't push your personal needs off onto someone else. When they ask for your opinion, by all means, please do. But when you openly admit you are talking about your needs, don't push them on anyone else or presume the OP has your needs.
    The OP asked for opinions, I gave MINE.
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    What do you want it to do and how much are you willing to spend?

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    Nope, you told him to get the DD because it suits YOUR needs, didn't ya?

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment- you may have been in the middle of defending yourself from another comment...

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    I didn't tell the OP what to get, I stated why I chose the DD over the MRP. If my reasoning is relevant to the OP (who already said which rifle he chose) then he can take it into account. After that I was simply responding to trident's "no, my dick is bigger" comments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    The M4C Mantra:

    What do you want it to do and how much are you willing to spend?

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    You guys take this shit way too personal...

    TO THE OP:
    Everyone is going to tell you that what THEY have is the best.
    DD and LMT both have great reputations for reliability and performance. But in the end you have to go with what makes YOU happy.

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    Why are you limiting the option to a DI DD and a piston LMT? That part seems to be causing much of the rub here. Comparing a piston MRP to a standard rifle, with the large price disparity, doesn't make sense.

    Do a standard LMT Defender (no piston) with the SOPMOD stock (very little price difference between the MSRP's), instead of the Daniel Defense. Around the same cost, but I think you'll like the LMT a bit better than the daniel defense.
    Last edited by Sanpete; 07-11-10 at 13:52.

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    He likes these two rifles. Just wanting a reason to spend the extra it seems.

    Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball...

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    Just for grins here is my experience … and my own selections process. This may or may not apply to you.

    I love the MRP. It's build quality, it's engineering, it is drop dead an eye pleaser (particularly that streamlined area just forward of the front pin). On every engineering level it is just that cool.

    But I didn't buy it. The AR15 is what I think of as a framework. As such I wanted to pursue as many paths as I could on the fewest lowers as ultimately there are only 2 real step-ups, A2 and M4 stocks.

    I weighed it all out, I WANTED an MRP (DI). BAD. But my plans were to modularly have:
    • an SBR with T1 RDS/FSP/irons
    • a mid-length M4 with M3 or T1 RDS/FSP/irons
    • a RECCE style in 5.56 and perhaps RECCE style 6.8SPC each with mag optics
    • and much later an SBR in 6.8SPC


    The barrels swaps seems simple enough and the SPC bolt swap was not a big deal if it came to that. But after floating the idea with some colleagues the discussion of re-zeroing came up. Each setup varied enough that, while in theory some circumstances would be OK, in practicality each needed a separate zeroing, particularly the RECCE setups. Not to mention the increased fussing of switching out 'one more thing' when it came to optics/irons/possible lights/VFG/bipod, etc.

    It just wasn't for me.

    I ended up deciding to assemble à la carte using a number of components … some DD, many not. Not important though …

    The point is that … while a wonder of engineering, and the BEST looking AR variant out there … the MRP mission swappable barrel didn't really translate into a superior modular setup for what I wanted to do vs multiple regular uppers. The cost was also rather prohibitive.

    So, FWIW …

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrivateCitizen View Post
    Just for grins here is my experience … and my own selections process. This may or may not apply to you.

    I love the MRP. It's build quality, it's engineering, it is drop dead an eye pleaser (particularly that streamlined area just forward of the front pin). On every engineering level it is just that cool.

    But I didn't buy it. The AR15 is what I think of as a framework. As such I wanted to pursue as many paths as I could on the fewest lowers as ultimately there are only 2 real step-ups, A2 and M4 stocks.

    I weighed it all out, I WANTED an MRP (DI). BAD. But my plans were to modularly have:
    • an SBR with T1 RDS/FSP/irons
    • a mid-length M4 with M3 or T1 RDS/FSP/irons
    • a RECCE style in 5.56 and perhaps RECCE style 6.8SPC each with mag optics
    • and much later an SBR in 6.8SPC


    The barrels swaps seems simple enough and the SPC bolt swap was not a big deal if it came to that. But after floating the idea with some colleagues the discussion of re-zeroing came up. Each setup varied enough that, while in theory some circumstances would be OK, in practicality each needed a separate zeroing, particularly the RECCE setups. Not to mention the increased fussing of switching out 'one more thing' when it came to optics/irons/possible lights/VFG/bipod, etc.

    It just wasn't for me.

    I ended up deciding to assemble à la carte using a number of components … some DD, many not. Not important though …

    The point is that … while a wonder of engineering, and the BEST looking AR variant out there … the MRP mission swappable barrel didn't really translate into a superior modular setup for what I wanted to do vs multiple regular uppers. The cost was also rather prohibitive.

    So, FWIW …


    Exactly....the swappable quick change barrel idea seems cool until you realize you need a particular tool to do it, and then either have to have another optic already zero'd for each barrel or re-zero one optic everytime you swap barrels.


    The mono upper has some use as you can mount an optic wherever you want which opens up more mount options.


    Id find it much easier to use one lower, and have a few different uppers I could easily swap out with two push pins (no tools and less time). I don't swap uppers around on lowers but simply saying that is easier than swapping barrels, and then having to swap optics or rezero.


    Just changing muzzle devices can have a big impact on POI. I have no doubt swapping barrels, calibers, etc would mean a rezero.

    Here is a target I shot yesterday after swapping between an A2 and a Surefire brake. 5 shots on right is my old zero with the A2, and then I shifted 5MOA to the left to be accurate with the brake. Same barrel, same optic, same ammo, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Don't worry he gets defensive every time someone criticizes something he owns. He got all pissy when I didn't have good things to say about NF, too.
    Classic

    Keep in mind that I have only debated two items with you....mrps and NF glass.....I have no problem being called a fanboy of those two awesome companies and I do not mind being the "crazy one" for actually loving NF glass and MRPs and calling out hateraid when I see it.

    Also, keep in mind I at no single point in this thread tried to sell or justify the MRP....NOR did I at any time even remotely critique the DD gun.....I just tried to put a muzzle on a few completely boneheaded and unfounded claims about the MRP system.

    No worries brother....stick with that larue stuff and EURO glass if it makes you tingle, more power to you
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