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    Quote Originally Posted by josh_rob View Post
    I don't think that I will utilize the swapping of barrels and the "benefits" that come along with the more expensive gun. Therefore, I don't see a point, fiscally, in spending extra money for something that I don't foresee myself using. I learned the hard way when I was younger that having "the best" isn't always "the best" for me.

    My general usage would be range and target shooting, home defense, some sport shooting, and some tactical training. I will probably only get out to shoot this thing 2-3 times a month. I think that any of the fire arms being discussed will exceed my needs.
    FWIW my reasoning is very similar to yours. I really like the engineering, monorail and killer looks of the LMT but can't get myself to spend that kind of money on a rifle knowing I am paying for the swappable barrel feature that I won't be using. The fact that the barrels are proprietary is also a big deterrent to me. One thing I was wondering about the LMT defender piston is how much it weights. Could not find that info anywhere so if anybody knows, please post it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Someone needed to say it...might as well be me...I don't think the site needs people having online temper tantrums yelling at people (ALL CAPS) because someone has to justify/defend their purchase, and this isn't the first time he has done it.
    Yes, someone needed to say it, thanks for doing so. I post very little but instead come here to get insights and objective technical information, not to listen to the ramblings of the ones who mistakenly link whatever little sense of self worth they have left to the harware they own -there's another AR site for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Hateraid? I never said either is junk. I think there are better options out there, and your claims to these products are outlandish.

    Im seriously considering buying an LMT MWS so no I do not hate the system. Your opinions on the systems capabilities are stupid, and its quite clear you are simply trying to validate your purchases to yourself. Yes Im proud of the stuff I own but I don't go around making shit up about them or making false claims on other "systems"....especially not to the point my posts are full of emotion, and using call caps (yelling on the net) to try to get my point across.

    You come across like a elementary age kid who just got a new toy, and has to go tell everyone about it. I can't hardly open up a pic thread without seeing your shit all over the place, and you being oh so boastful about your gun. Here and other places. Yeah we all like to show off a new whatever but you're completely over the ****ing top, and now this thread you're completely being disingenuous with your "opinion" AKA justify my purchase and scream at people who don't agree with me. I see Im clearly not the only one who notices it. Ever heard of a clue?

    You're reminding me of that kid that got his WOW account locked, and threw a temper tantrum in his room while trying to shove the remote up his ass.
    10-4.....Could you please list the outlandish claims/false claims or show any merit behind the gibberish in bold?

    Hitting me with the "justifying my purchase" line, or calling me an elementary kid certainly will hurt my feelings pal and at the end of the day, between the two of us....you resorted to name calling and such and have let this thread get under your skin....shake it off and keep it classy pal

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    Mmmm...MRP

    Less talk more pics!






















    And one of the most enigmatic MRP piston photos out there



    The piston is dead simple. Very different from LWRC and HK416



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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    10-4.....Could you please list the outlandish claims/false claims or show any merit behind the gibberish in bold?

    Hitting me with the "justifying my purchase" line, or calling me an elementary kid certainly will hurt my feelings pal and at the end of the day, between the two of us....you resorted to name calling and such and have let this thread get under your skin....shake it off and keep it classy pal


    Ive already addressed them.


    The fact you think its easier to have on upper, and just change barrels and rezero your optic instead of having dedicated uppers. This is the third time Ive said it buts far easier to push two pins out, replace the upper, and push two pins back in. You can do that in seconds, and don't have to rezero your optic.

    Some of you guys keep bringing up this..."I rather tot 25 lbs worth of uppers to the range, etc. rather than a cpl. extra barrels.........perplexing how some cannot at least see how buying $800-$1000 complete uppers that take up double the space, weigh triple the weight and lastly still do not match the performance of a simple swapped barrel within the MRP Platfrom 9/10 times.



    The fact the MRP limits your barrel choices, and you started crying about how 30 seconds on google will reveal lots of MRP barrel sources. Its still not even close to the selection of regular barrels.

    You should start to research now all the DIFFERENT LENGTHS, CALIBERS, GAS SYSTEMS....and I bet it takes you 30 min. to come up with the MASSIVE list of aftermarket or interchangeable MRP barrels.

    You have so much mental attachment to the MRP because you own one, you admit its your favorite item in the AR world, and make bogus shit up like this:

    MURPHY has jack shit to do with HIGH QUALITY AR GEAR, MURPHY IS A CHIC IDEOLOGY....and obviously some of you gents have yet to be informed that MRPs are on the same shelf with Johnnie Walker Blue....which is on the HIGHEST SHELF.

    Yes we all know the MRP is made well but at this point you're being disingenuous with your opinion, and elevating it to a God like status.


    Ive seen quite a few people snap the bolts that hold the barrel in place. In fact I recall quite a few people saying to ditch the torque wrench they give you because its a POS, and you'll break things with it. Since you're so hot on doing google searches for all things MRP do one for "broken MRP barrel bolt", and guess that? Heres the first one: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=236943


    Heres more claims about it taking a minute to swap standard uppers? Really? Maybe if I was drunk, retarded, and had never touched an AR before. You're also typing ALL CAPS (yelling) because you're so emotionally tied to your weapon you post all over the place over and over again you're nearing melt down, and now must yell at people to get your point across.

    CARRYING THREE FREAKING BARRELS AND ONE PISTON BCG that interchange with ONE MINUTE....(A SIMPLE MATING OF A UPPER AND LOWER GENERALLY AT LEAST TAKE THAT LONG)

    I don't know about you but most people carry their weapons in cases, and have cars they drive around in. I pull in 15 ft from the firing line. For military people no one is carrying around a bag full of barrels they have to rezero with. A person will carry their primary, and maybe a secondary if they have a pistol. Some special guys might have a 2nd upper in the truck, and like I said it takes seconds to swap uppers. Murphy, that thing you says doesn't exist, says if rely on the MRP like this you are going to break a bolt, forget your torque wrench, etc.



    Here you address the broken bolt phenomenon but just downplay it as people being idiots. Maybe they are maybe they are not but that tells me the system is delicate if it happens this much. Part of engineering shit it making sure the lowest common denominator can still use it. Give that shit to the military, half the bolts will be broken within a month. People like to play with things, and maybe it has to do with the low quality torque wrench LMT supplies. Oh your using ALL CAPS again....

    The only thing that breaks on the MRP uppers in when someone is careless and overtorques a bolt....IT SHEERS A BOLT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY ENGINEERED TO POP AT A CERTAIN TORQUE VALUE RATHER THAN POTENTIALLY BREAKING OR DAMAGING THE ACTUAL CHASSIS ITSELF.....the bolts are a shade less the $10 a piece and so far I have heard of less than 10 accounts of dummies over torquing the bolts and sheering one.

    Here you claim its harder to swap uppers on a regular AR than change the MRP barrel, and zero the optic. Really? I can swap uppers in under 10-15 seconds easy, and be ready to shoot with a completely zero'd optic. You can really change barrels, and rezero the optic in that amount of time? Or do you use Kentucky Windage? Aside from a bag of MRP barrels do you carry around a bag of optics zero'd to each barrel? As I already pointed out just changing muzzle devices can result in a 5MOA difference at 100 yards. You are not going to convince anyone you can go from a 10.5" CQB barrel to a 16" piston to an 18" SPR (your example) without rezeroing your optic, and they are all going to have the same POI. Just changing rounds can have a big impact on POI.


    This thread isn't under my skin. I think you're full of shit, and emotionally attached to your weapon to the point you have to make shit up, type in all caps, and you even admit no one is going to change your mind. Your sig line is another example. You admit its your favorite weapon. I like the crap I have, too, but Im willing admit its deficiencies. Ill be the first one to point out faults in my own equipment, and you can read threads Ive posted in. I don't go around screaming at people who disagree with me, and making shit up to try and support the products I own. Just like I did with the NF scope you also got butthurt about. Ive talked about faults in the Short-Dot in the optics threads, and numerous other items I owned or have owned. How are you ever going to improve if you're not willing to admit short falls, resort to yelling, and being disingenuous in your claims here? No one can take you seriously when you come across like this....people are saying you are acting like a little boy because an adult doesn't do what you've done in this thread. I dont know how old you are and don't really care but take the hint.

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    I expect more from M4C than this.

    I think you'll be happy with either choice, but we Georgians would be quite appreciative should you decide the DD is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Ive already addressed them.


    The fact you think its easier to have on upper, and just change barrels and rezero your optic instead of having dedicated uppers. This is the third time Ive said it buts far easier to push two pins out, replace the upper, and push two pins back in. You can do that in seconds, and don't have to rezero your optic.






    The fact the MRP limits your barrel choices, and you started crying about how 30 seconds on google will reveal lots of MRP barrel sources. Its still not even close to the selection of regular barrels.




    You have so much mental attachment to the MRP because you own one, you admit its your favorite item in the AR world, and make bogus shit up like this:




    Yes we all know the MRP is made well but at this point you're being disingenuous with your opinion, and elevating it to a God like status.


    Ive seen quite a few people snap the bolts that hold the barrel in place. In fact I recall quite a few people saying to ditch the torque wrench they give you because its a POS, and you'll break things with it. Since you're so hot on doing google searches for all things MRP do one for "broken MRP barrel bolt", and guess that? Heres the first one: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=236943


    Heres more claims about it taking a minute to swap standard uppers? Really? Maybe if I was drunk, retarded, and had never touched an AR before. You're also typing ALL CAPS (yelling) because you're so emotionally tied to your weapon you post all over the place over and over again you're nearing melt down, and now must yell at people to get your point across.




    I don't know about you but most people carry their weapons in cases, and have cars they drive around in. I pull in 15 ft from the firing line. For military people no one is carrying around a bag full of barrels they have to rezero with. A person will carry their primary, and maybe a secondary if they have a pistol. Some special guys might have a 2nd upper in the truck, and like I said it takes seconds to swap uppers. Murphy, that thing you says doesn't exist, says if rely on the MRP like this you are going to break a bolt, forget your torque wrench, etc.



    Here you address the broken bolt phenomenon but just downplay it as people being idiots. Maybe they are maybe they are not but that tells me the system is delicate if it happens this much. Part of engineering shit it making sure the lowest common denominator can still use it. Give that shit to the military, half the bolts will be broken within a month. People like to play with things, and maybe it has to do with the low quality torque wrench LMT supplies. Oh your using ALL CAPS again....




    Here you claim its harder to swap uppers on a regular AR than change the MRP barrel, and zero the optic. Really? I can swap uppers in under 10-15 seconds easy, and be ready to shoot with a completely zero'd optic. You can really change barrels, and rezero the optic in that amount of time? Or do you use Kentucky Windage? Aside from a bag of MRP barrels do you carry around a bag of optics zero'd to each barrel? As I already pointed out just changing muzzle devices can result in a 5MOA difference at 100 yards. You are not going to convince anyone you can go from a 10.5" CQB barrel to a 16" piston to an 18" SPR (your example) without rezeroing your optic, and they are all going to have the same POI. Just changing rounds can have a big impact on POI.


    This thread isn't under my skin. I think you're full of shit, and emotionally attached to your weapon to the point you have to make shit up, type in all caps, and you even admit no one is going to change your mind. Your sig line is another example. You admit its your favorite weapon. I like the crap I have, too, but Im willing admit its deficiencies. Ill be the first one to point out faults in my own equipment, and you can read threads Ive posted in. I don't go around screaming at people who disagree with me, and making shit up to try and support the products I own. Just like I did with the NF scope you also got butthurt about. Ive talked about faults in the Short-Dot in the optics threads, and numerous other items I owned or have owned. How are you ever going to improve if you're not willing to admit short falls, resort to yelling, and being disingenuous in your claims here? No one can take you seriously when you come across like this....people are saying you are acting like a little boy because an adult doesn't do what you've done in this thread. I dont know how old you are and don't really care but take the hint.
    Wow, I must say you have quite a bit of time to spend on m4c....however, in that massive diatribe of yours you still did not illustrate the fact that I made or expressed false claims. Rather you pointed out at best my opinion on MRPS.

    Also, I think its awesome your internet lets your hear "yelling" while reading a screen....very cool indeed.

    No worries about taking half a day to reply again with such a massive amt. of....well, words Eventually you will have something to do better with your time Im sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Wow, I must say you have quite a bit of time to spend on m4c....however, in that massive diatribe of yours you still did not illustrate the fact that I made or expressed false claims. Rather you pointed out at best my opinion on MRPS.

    Also, I think its awesome your internet lets your hear "yelling" while reading a screen....very cool indeed.

    No worries about taking half a day to reply again with such a massive amt. of....well, words Eventually you will have something to do better with your time Im sure.

    I pointed out several false claims of yours such as it being a pain to swap uppers but easier to swap barrels and rezero a scope each time you change barrels. You also said it takes around a minute to swap uppers which is not true. You have been dishonest in the differences between the two. You may like swapping barrels, and rezoring your optic but that doesn't mean its true that it takes a minute to swap normal uppers or that your preference for doing things is any easier. This comes back to your emotional attachment that is a bit on the creepy side, and you resort to making false claims (noted above, and a few times so far in this thread) to trump up the product you own. No one wants to come here, and hear advice and the rantings of a brand fanboi who can't even admit to his own gear's limitations, and has to resort to making absurd/false claims, typing in all caps, and generally coming across as having a near melt down because someone hurt their feelings. You've already admitted you need a special tool most people do not have to change the barrels, there is an issue with people snapping bolts, that you have to rezero your optic when you change barrels, and you refuse to listen to any facts because you are a brand fanboi. Now you just need to admit to making things up, and we'll be all done here.


    Typing in ALL CAPS has meant "yelling" on the internet since at least the 90's. If that's not what you meant then fine but you need to clarify that since the vast majority of people who have been on the internet for more than a week associate typing in all caps to be "yelling". Next time put a disclaimer of what you are conveying when you are typing in all caps.


    I see you just want to play semantics, and that you are unable to defend any of the points I challenged. If you wish to further discuss this you can IM me all you want so we're not clogging up a thread that does has some nuggets of info strewn about.


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    the mods must have the week off... please let this thread die, gentlemen.

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    This thread is embarrassing.

    They're both very nice rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    the mods must have the week off... please let this thread die, gentlemen.

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    I can't believe this crap, I'm going to the range with my DD M4 and try to have some fun. Wish I had someone to go with.....
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