Pure wound trauma comparison

[kh86]

I was looking at the -Home Defense Long Guns- sticky and noticed that 12 ga buck beats out 5.56 in pure wound trama at close range. Where does 7.62x39 (Hornady's 123-grain Spire Point ,VMAX, and the rest of the high end good stuff), 6.8x43, and .308 fit into the mix? I'm guessing .308 beats out 6.8x43 and 7.62x39 but is 00 buck above, below, or equal to 6.8x43 and 7.62x39?

[Entropy]

If you are strickly looking at home defense, then the 12 gauge is ideal. It has relatively low penetration through home materials, generates a lot of tissue damage, and the shot pattern helps to make up for lack of shot precision(IE, a torso shot with buck is more likely to hit something important than a 7.62). It's much harder to hit someone who may be moving around in low light than you think. Probably why the shotgun is still widely used around the world even though it is a pretty ancient weapon design.

[Molon]

If you are strickly looking at home defense, then the 12 gauge is ideal. It has relatively low penetration through home materials . . .

False.




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[tpd223]

I think this is being over-thought. Any of the listed rounds would wreck a bad guy if properly placed.

[GPalmer]

False.

I'm not sure that quoting the results of bullets in a flesh medium is really the right example to use when countering an argument about penetration in building materials.

Luckily the Box of truth tests building materials:
5.56 versus 12 gauge. That shows lower penetration from the 12 gauge than most handguns and 5.56...

[GPalmer]

I think this is being over-thought. Any of the listed rounds would wreck a bad guy if properly placed.

+1, use the platform you are comfortable with. I am just as likely to use a 12 gauge or 6.8 SPC and wouldn't hesitate using one of my 5.56's...

[tampam4]

I'm not sure that quoting the results of bullets in a flesh medium is really the right example to use when countering an argument about penetration in building materials.

Luckily the Box of truth tests building materials:
5.56 versus 12 gauge. That shows lower penetration from the 12 gauge than most handguns and 5.56...

Please actually READ what Molon posted before starting to type again!

The photo clearly states "TYPICAL WOUND PROFILE AFTER PENETRATING INTERIOR WALL INTERMEDIATE BARRIER

[GPalmer]

Please actually READ what Molon posted before starting to type again!

The photo clearly states "TYPICAL WOUND PROFILE AFTER PENETRATING INTERIOR WALL INTERMEDIATE BARRIER

Please actually READ what Molon was replying to before posting again. The OP said"relatively low penetration through home materials"
molon responded with an assessment of how rounds penetrated in gel. Gel is not building material. I linked to tests against building materials.

[tampam4]

Please actually READ what Molon was replying to before posting again. The OP said"relatively low penetration through home materials"
molon responded with an assessment of how rounds penetrated in gel. Gel is not building material. I linked to tests against building materials.

OK....the image shows penetration of gel AFTER it has penetrated an intermediate barrier. What that image shows is that after going through an interior wall, 12 gauge penetrates ballistic gel nearly just as much as the other projectiles listed. So 12 gauge does NOT offer relatively low penetration through home materials. 12 gauge penetrated your building material just as much as the others, and THEN penetrated the gel.

[kh86]

I'm not factoring in household materials. I was just looking for straight shots and the possible/average damage done.

Oh, and I fully get the low light moving target bit. Its hard enough to hit it on a semi lit range with the target only moving forwards or backward at fast walk speeds. Not to mention the possibility of the target shooting back! I guess I'm settling on a HD shottie since it seems the best. Kinda a one trick pony but a good one.