Iran supplying weapons justification for WAR?

[Rmplstlskn]

Lately, the news and the official government statements have been loaded with info about how it is now undeniable that IRAN is supplying arms, explosives and other accoutrements of war to Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza/West Bank, of which, in my opinion is OBVIOUS. This "revelation" is being sited by some as JUSTIFICATION for attacking IRAN, thus declaring war on them (as they have been at de facto war with us for awhile now...).

I have no problem believing IRAN to be a more serious clear and present danger to USA interests abroad than other conflicts we are now in, however, I have a problem with using "arms supplier to our enemies" as primary justification for any future action.

Using that logic, wouldn't the USSR have been "justified" in bombing the crap out of US, the USA, for our support of the Muj in Afghanistan back in the days of THEIR war in Afghanistan? For example, those STINGERS we supplied were devastating to the Russians and their HIND's... and maybe changed the course of the war.

Is this not the same thing?

I doubt it will happen, but I hope we just come out and say we may war with IRAN because they're a$$wipes who are the nest of radical islam who put the entire region at risk, as well as the world's oil supply, rather than "arms supplier."

Plus, why not ASSASSINATE President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, mullah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, the Council of Guardians, and toss in a few Assembly of Experts as well? Get rid of these guys and IRAN's governmental system will TOPPLE. Why spend BILLIONS in high tech "smart bombs" and put American military personnel in harm's way while all the while allowing these TRUE ENEMIES to hide SAFELY under the cover of "Heads of State?" I say, send the Mossad after them and support them all the way...

Rmpl

[Bulldog1967]

I've had a reason to go to war with Iran since October 23rd, 1983.

[graffex]

We should send in assassins and make enemy leaders disappear quietly.

[Bushytale]

remember when khadafi was causing problems during Reagan's administration? Reagan sent the F-111s to Khadafi's house. He has been very quit ever since.

Billy

[Noshoot]

remember when khadafi was causing problems during Reagan's administration? Reagan sent the F-111s to Khadafi's house. He has been very quit ever since.

Billy

I was sitting at my uncle's house on leave at the time watching all the news reports on this after it had happened. I was waiting for the phone call saying get your ass back here. Luckliy, khadafi was a total wuss and I got to finish my leave time with family....

[Submariner]

I've had a reason to go to war with Iran since October 23rd, 1983.

I understand your comment. However, if we had not been trying to cover the Israelis' asses, we might not have been there in the first place. If the Chain of Command had permitted the sentry a loaded weapon, the result might have been different as well. Please note that 56 Legionnaires died that day in a similar attack.

Team America: World Police is quite funny. Unfortunately, the US does not have jurisdiction across the planet. Some foreigners take extreme umbrage at armed foreign troops inside their borders.

Wasn't this a Hezzbollah attack? Weren't they Lebanese? Even if Iran furnished weapons, how is this different than our support of the Muj in Astan against the Soviets? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Rule of law, right?

Why do we support Israel anyway? USS Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, AIPAC, etc. Proverbs teaches, "If a man's ways are pleasing to the Lord he will make his enemies be at peace with him." Gotta wonder if God is all that pleased with the Izzies, "chosen people" or not. They are at peace with no one.

[Rmplstlskn]

Why do we support Israel anyway? USS Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, AIPAC, etc. Proverbs teaches, "If a man's ways are pleasing to the Lord he will make his enemies be at peace with him." Gotta wonder if God is all that pleased with the Izzies, "chosen people" or not. They are at peace with no one.

I support ISRAEL the LAND, not the government. The government is borderline EVIL and repulsive. I support the return of ALL TWELVE TRIBES to the land YHWH placed His name upon. Right now Judah and some of Levi are all that is there holding down the fort, surrounded by sons of Ismael who hate them.

As far as I'm concerned, that LAND will never be abandoned to the Islamic hordes again. It is YHWH's deeded land and no one can give it away or PART IT UP.

But the evil of the Israeli government, if you believe Scripture, will indeed bring about JUDGEMENT, but nowhere near the same judgement that will fall upon DAMASCUS at about that time (nuclear destruction of that city). It will get VERY BAD over there, but the LAND will never fall into the hands of Ismael, that just the way it will all pan out. Mark my words...

So, why do we support Israel (the government) anyway?

Because they are the only ones securing the LAND at this time... barely. They also have the OLDEST recorded DEED for the site known as "Mount Moriah (near the Solomon-era Temple Mount)." Have a "Palestinian" show ANY pre-dated, recorded DEED for that abominable mosque or the land they say is theirs...

1Ch 21:24-26 And king David said to Ornan (the Jebusite), Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost. (25) So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight. (26) And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.

Rmpl

[Rmplstlskn]

We should send in assassins and make enemy leaders disappear quietly.

I agree!!!! Or maybe a cruise missile through the "lit up" bathroom window when he is in the john...

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a hard-core believer in the 13th Imam, and he REALLY believes he is able to quicken his coming and that HE is the man chosen to bring it all about... Which only means LOTS more trouble in that region as long as he breathes air...

Rmpl

[Submariner]

As far as I'm concerned, that LAND will never be abandoned to the Islamic hordes again. It is YHWH's deeded land and no one can give it away or PART IT UP.

"This land is mine. God gave this land to me," is from the lyrics to the musical score to the movie, Exodus, not Scripture.

Um, it's all God's land: "The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, and they that dwell therein." Ps. 24:1 Why can't the land "owners," i.e. those enjoying its fullness, alienate/gift/sell/transfer this land while you are free to do so with land, if any, that you hold? Judicial actions (and God is certainly Judge) can cause title of recorded property to change. 70 A.D.? Adverse possession, commonly known as "squatter's rights"?

[Rmplstlskn]

"This land is mine. God gave this land to me," is from the lyrics to the musical score to the movie, Exodus, not Scripture.

Um, it's all God's land: "The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, and they that dwell therein." Ps. 24:1 Why can't the land "owners," i.e. those enjoying its fullness, alienate/gift/sell/transfer this land while you are free to do so with land, if any, that you hold? Judicial actions (and God is certainly Judge) can cause title of recorded property to change. 70 A.D.? Adverse possession, commonly known as "squatter's rights"?

Although I wish not to turn this thread into a study of Scripture, I think it very important to dispel some Dispensational misunderstandings, often birthed from the idea that a New(er) Testament salvation by belief in the Messiah Y'shua (Jesus, the Christ) is SEPARATE and DISTINCT from the previous COVENANTS made to Abraham and Moses. Indeed, the very FAITH you hold to for your salvation, that one you believe is UNBREAKABLE, is deeply rooted in the Abrahamic Covenant.

So, if YHWH can CANCEL and NULLIFY a COVENANT with Abraham and his SEED, then what makes you think He can't NULLIFY His Covenant with US when He desires or when He tires of our constant wickedness, although we profess to be His Children? Think about it... What guarantees your salvation? Is it not the SACRIFICE where YHWH provides HIMSELF (His Son) as the LAMB rather than Abraham's SON, Isaac? The Old(er) Testament is not just cute children's stories or a "Tithe Stick" used to beat a 10% religion tax out of us, it is the VERY FOUNDATION of our salvation... Take the foundation away, you have NOTHING...

Remember, YHWH told Abraham that HE HIMSELF would keep BOTH SIDES of the COVENANT, as He knew Abraham and his seed would be UNABLE to keep up their end of the Covenant (Keep my Commandments, be free from false gods, etc...) Note only ONE participant in the COVENANT (requires two or more) below CONFIRMED it. Abraham never confirmed it (walk between the sacrifice) as he was in a deep sleep... Then also note the INHERITANCE...

Gen 15:5-21 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. (6) And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (7) And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. (8) And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? (9) And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. (10) And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. (11) And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. (12) And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. (13) And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; (14) And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. (15) And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. (16) But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. (17) And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. (18) In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: (19) The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, (20) And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, (21) And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

The MIRACLE above is that both the Father and the Son (furnace [Holy Fire] & lamp [Light of the World]) CONFIRM the COVENANT! Take this away with Dispensational error and you have LOST the GUARANTEE of your salvation...

Jos 1:3-6 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. (4) From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast. (5) There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. (6) Be strong and of a good courage: for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land, which I swore unto their fathers to give them.

The biggest error the modern Christian Church has fallen into is the misunderstanding of the COVENANTS and thinking that YHWH can/has annulled them. If they Abrahamic Covenant has been anulled, then we have NO SURE BASE of salvation, as our salvation is DIRECTLY linked to that Covenant.

This is why I REJECT completely the idea that maybe YHWH gave away this land to squatters, etc... If a man owns a field but leaves it for a period of time and returns later to find squatters on His land, does He not have the right to evict them? Jerusalem, from a satellite view of the MOUNTAIN RIDGES, has the SYMBOL of YHWH's name upon it, just as He said, "I have given you the LAND where I have PLACED MY NAME..." This land will NEVER be abandoned, nor will it be given to squatters (sons of Ismael).

For more, stop by my web site: What Would Y'shua Do?

To the others here, sorry for the thread hijack of my own thread....

Rmpl