S&B Short Dot Models Explained.

[JEL458]

Anyone have any idea if any of the Short Dots have an NSN? My searches turned up nothing. Thanks,

[Javelin]

Here's a few more pics of the Short Dot II (1.1 - 4 x 24mm Zenith Short Dot LE.)

That makes me want to go get a S&B scope.

[bp7178]

That is actually the older version of the 1-4x24 Short Dot LE. The newer versions are shorter, having a tube lenght forward of the erector similar to that of the original Short Dot.

[bp7178]

Just received my Schmidt & Bender today. I purchased the 1.1-4x24 Short Dot LE with a P3 (mil-dot) reticle.

At some point S&B revised the design of the Short Dot LE. The newest versions are shorter, about 10" overall. This makes the form factor just like the Short Dot Gen II. The new data sheet I got from S&B says the FD2, FD7 and P3 reticles can be had. They are all installed in the second focal plane.

The reticle doesn't change size as magnification changes. This gives you an approx 5.5 MOA dot on 1x, about 1.5 MOA on 4x. Of course, the tradeoff is the mil-dots aren't accurate for ranging on any other magnification other than 4x. With how fine the CQB reticle is on the regular Short Dot on 1x, I don't think this is an issue. Its hard to range on 4x, next to impossible on 1x. For any shooting you would be doing past 200-300 yards where drop needs to be factored, you would more than likely be on 4x anyway. If not, you can dial the elevation into the turret or approximate a holdover with the dot/reticle as you would with an Aimpoint.

The S&B german site lists the current specs, but says the only reticle is the CQB. The P3's bold lines are very easy to pick up. From the center, you have four dots spaced in the typical fashion then the lines go bold.

The flashdot is typical of S&B. Daylight bright on the high end, night vision compatible on the low.

Before anyone asks, there is NO blue tint to the glass.

Reticle pics will follow when I get to the range...

Pictures were taken with an iPhone 4. All of my money was spent on this thing, nothing left over for a fancy digital camera. So forgive me if they are slightly off.

Unboxing.





Yeah. A riflescope which retails for $2,699.00, and who's pricing is agressivley controlled by S&B, is shipped in cardboard. I will say the packaging of the Trijicon TR24 blows this away. Just a note, not a gripe.



What you get...a manual and a warranty card, product survey form, and bikini scope covers.



Notice the posistion of the erector assembly relative to the length of the tube forward of it. About an inch and a half shorter than the previous version.







When you remove the windage cap, this is what you get. A compartment for a spare battery, and a view of the Posicon turret. The Posicon shows a representation of where the reticle is within its adjustment range. So this means if you want to dial wind, you have to take the windage cap off and try not to loose it. Of course, with a mil-dot reticle, you can just hold for wind and dial elevation.



View under the battery on the brightness adjustment knob. No rubber washers added. Yes that was a shot at SWFA.



This is what the elevation turret looks like disassembled. Mine was ordered with the 75gr Hornady cam. What is odd is that the manual doesn't state at what range the optics needs to be zeroed at for the range marks to be accurate. Of course the clicks are 1/2 MOA. I would have rathered .1 MIL, but not a deal breaker.

The cap has a nice slot for a coin to unscrew it. Now wanting to mar it up to all hell, which is what will happen if you use a nickel, I've found the rim of a dummy round works great.



Here you can see the turret markings with the referenced ammunition. I had just received a case of TAP T2 last week. Perfect timing. On a side note, the TAP T2 is amazing stuff. Surprisingly uniform.



Without the optic mounted, my rifle weighs 8lbs on the money. Not a lightweight build, but it was never intended to be. Stripped of the Scout light, Larue FUG and rail covers, the rifle is 7.2lbs.

With the S&B mounted in a Larue SPR, its rocking at 9.6lbs. The Short Dot LE is a damn tank. If you want light, get a T-1.



With the bi-pod, its at 10.4lbs.



Should be out to the range tomorrow, more pics will follow...

[snakedoctor]

Another Short Dot LE. I love this optic!

[cop1211]

Anybody with info on the the FD2 reticule? Intended use 0-200 yards.

[SkiDevil]

Schmidt and Bender Short Dot II - CQB Reticle


Weight of rifle (16" Stainless Noveske Recon barrel in M4 upper with DD 12" rail) including Short Dot, TD stubby VFG, and Mini-Scout Light with Gear Sector mount, and 5 TD rail covers (Total weight without loaded P-Mag *9.518 Lbs) Weight of rifle without Scope, TD VFG, Surefire light, no magazine = 8.05 Lbs.







Comparison of Optics (Weight, including mount)
1. Short Dot with ADM Recon 30mm mount & Cat tail (30.35oz)
2. Leupold FX-II 2.5X20mm in ADM Recon Scout 1" mount (14.7oz)
3. Aimpoint M2 with ADM 68-H mount (13.5oz)
4. Aimpoint R-1 with ADM Socom Ht mount (7.35)



Review to follow

Initial impressions:

Extremely well built (heavy)
Optical quality of lenses is superb
CQB reticle is excellent/ provides reference points
Dot is bright and daytime functional

After an exhaustive search for a general purpose optic, I selected the Short Dot with the CQB reticle. Although it is heavy, I find the weight manageable. I have fired several hundred rounds with the optic from the bench and off-hand. I believe that this scope will serve well as a general purpose optic for recreation, duty/ defensive use, hunting, and target shooting. As others have already stated, it is expensive but well worth it. I cannot recall clearer glass in any other type of optic which I have used in the past, the light transmission is excellent.

SkiDevil

[30 cal slut]

any updates on the 1-8x?

[Titleist]

Yep, I talked with the reps at SHOT.

News is NOT good. Price has gone up nearly a thousand dollars, and the targeted release is "maybe second quarter 2012." So that's an increase from 2600 to 3500.

In other news the Horus version of the Leupold CQBSS has actually been dropped down to 3000 dollars and is shipping now.

I'm not gonna lie, the S&B 1-8 was the absolutely BIGGEST disappointment of SHOT SHOW this year for me personally. The CC mode is amazing, but the price actually increasing is an astronomical flub on their part.

[30 cal slut]

Yep, I talked with the reps at SHOT.

News is NOT good. Price has gone up nearly a thousand dollars, and the targeted release is "maybe second quarter 2012." So that's an increase from 2600 to 3500.

In other news the Horus version of the Leupold CQBSS has actually been dropped down to 3000 dollars and is shipping now.

I'm not gonna lie, the S&B 1-8 was the absolutely BIGGEST disappointment of SHOT SHOW this year for me personally. The CC mode is amazing, but the price actually increasing is an astronomical flub on their part.

Damn. You figure with the Euro shitting the bed, the price wouldn't be that high. Thanks for the update.