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    Quote Originally Posted by texag View Post
    Go to Clyde Armory, add the DDM4v3 to your cart, and the price will be $1179.
    Please ignore everything I said and just do this. You can't go wrong.

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    DD Lower

    The DD Lower mentioned a few posts above is available at G&R Tactical. Get up with Grant and he can definitely help you out. I ordered one of these lowers and it is great. Best thing about G&R is you can customize it to whatever you want.

    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...n&key=DD-22000

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    Quote Originally Posted by texag View Post
    That is true of one piece FF rails. The Omega X is a 2 piece ff design. Loosen the 4 set screws that secure it to the barrel nut then remove the screws that hold the upper and lower rail portions together and it's off. You only have to remove the FSB to take off the barrel nut. That's something you have to do anytime you remove the barrel nut regardless of what kind of handguards you have.

    Go to Clyde Armory, add the DDM4v3 to your cart, and the price will be $1179.
    So basically it just clamps around the barrel assembly?
    And I won't have to take the barrel nut off?
    Because for the M4V3 rail system (Omega X 9.0) I looked on DD's site, and they say "initial gunsmithing is required for installation", but then they say "Once the rail system is completely installed, it can easily be removed from the barrel nut to allow the end user to perform maintenence"
    The standard 2-piece FF Omega 9 sounds more like what you were talking about. I also noticed that they show it mounted on a rifle with the triangular hanguard cap still on it.....?

    How about other modifications (for different rails)- some folks have also talked about having to cut off the clamping collar, and such.

    That's a pretty good price... Is that a special? Or their normal secret price?
    Quote Originally Posted by ge_traveler View Post
    The DD Lower mentioned a few posts above is available at G&R Tactical. Get up with Grant and he can definitely help you out. I ordered one of these lowers and it is great. Best thing about G&R is you can customize it to whatever you want.

    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...n&key=DD-22000
    Yes- I sent G&R an email.
    I was actually able to cut the cost down to $326.
    Last edited by Jellybean; 07-26-10 at 01:15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybean View Post
    So basically it just clamps around the barrel assembly? Yes. It clamps on the barrel nut.
    And I won't have to take the barrel nut off? Not unless you want to change or otherwise remove the barrel.
    Because for the M4V3 rail system (Omega X 9.0) I looked on DD's site, and they say "initial gunsmithing is required for installation", but then they say "Once the rail system is completely installed, it can easily be removed from the barrel nut to allow the end user to perform maintenence" It does require you to remove the flash hider and FSB for INSTALLATION. You will not be installing it. Once it's on the rifle you can remove the rails from the barrel nut without touching the FSB.
    The standard 2-piece FF Omega 9 sounds more like what you were talking about. I also noticed that they show it mounted on a rifle with the triangular hanguard cap still on it.....? No, I'm talking about the omega X, the 9 on the v3 uses the same setup as the 12 on my ddm4v1, which I have taken off while leaving everything else intact. The X uses a lite barrel nut, which requires the removal of the FSB and flash hider to install, just like any rail system that doesn't use a stock barrel nut. The omega uses the stock barrel nut, so you can leave everything in place when installing it.

    How about other modifications (for different rails)- some folks have also talked about having to cut off the clamping collar, and such.Who has talked about this? The clamping collar is already gone on the DDM4v3.

    That's a pretty good price... Is that a special? Or their normal secret price? That price has been the same for a few months now.
    Reply in bold.
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    The M4C Mantra:

    What do you want it to do and how much are you willing to spend?

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    So basically it just clamps around the barrel assembly? Yes. It clamps on the barrel nut.
    And I won't have to take the barrel nut off? Not unless you want to change or otherwise remove the barrel.
    Because for the M4V3 rail system (Omega X 9.0) I looked on DD's site, and they say "initial gunsmithing is required for installation", but then they say "Once the rail system is completely installed, it can easily be removed from the barrel nut to allow the end user to perform maintenence" It does require you to remove the flash hider and FSB for INSTALLATION. You will not be installing it. Once it's on the rifle you can remove the rails from the barrel nut without touching the FSB.

    The standard 2-piece FF Omega 9 sounds more like what you were talking about. I also noticed that they show it mounted on a rifle with the triangular hanguard cap still on it.....? No, I'm talking about the omega X, the 9 on the v3 uses the same setup as the 12 on my ddm4v1, which I have taken off while leaving everything else intact. The X uses a lite barrel nut, which requires the removal of the FSB and flash hider to install, just like any rail system that doesn't use a stock barrel nut. The omega uses the stock barrel nut, so you can leave everything in place when installing it.
    Ok.
    So then for the free floats (these ones, at least), basically any one I could go with I'd have to have initially gunsmith-installed, but afterwards I can remove/re-install it myself for maintenance and such, yes?

    How about other modifications (for different rails)- some folks have also talked about having to cut off the clamping collar, and such.Who has talked about this? The clamping collar is already gone on the DDM4v3.
    Yes, I did notice that- I was thinking about other rifles with it still there- like if I got a BCM upper (also the reason of my mention of the DD Omega 9 with the hanguard cap, previously).
    I cannot remember where I saw it, but it came up in at least one or two of the conversations on here when I was doing a google search.

    Another thing- I know both FF and Non-FF rails are going to put some stress on the barrel, but it seems like perhaps a FF attached directly to the barrel nut might cause a little more wear on the rifle?

    *Apologies- figured while I have your attention, I'll ask as many dumb questions as possible.

    That's a pretty good price... Is that a special? Or their normal secret price? That price has been the same for a few months now.
    Sounds good, then.
    Now to think up a devious plan to aquire one...
    Last edited by Jellybean; 07-26-10 at 10:13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybean View Post
    Ok.
    So then for the free floats (these ones, at least), basically any one I could go with I'd have to have initially gunsmith-installed, but afterwards I can remove/re-install it myself for maintenance and such, yes?

    If you purchase a rifle without a FF rail it might need gunsmith installation, assuming you don't have the proper tools. Rails like the standard omega and troy mrf don't require much work to install yourself

    Another thing- I know both FF and Non-FF rails are going to put some stress on the barrel, but it seems like perhaps a FF attached directly to the barrel nut might cause a little more wear on the rifle?

    A FF rail is not going to contact the barrel at any point, and having the rail attached to the barrel nut isn't going to cause any wear abnormal wear. A nonFF rail will contact the barrel and could slightly shift your point of impact if pressure is placed on it (ie resting it on a barrier or using a sling as support).

    *Apologies- figured while I have your attention, I'll ask as many dumb questions as possible.

    No problem, glad I could help. Sorry if I sounded a little snippy, waking up at 4am to study for my first exam at police academy isn't exactly conducive to being in good cheer.
    I would like to know what price the BCM you posted is, because unless there is a substantial difference I think the DDMv3 would probably be the way to go. BCM is unquestionably one of the highest quality makers out there, but IMO, the value of the DD rifles offer at these prices is unbeatable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    The M4C Mantra:

    What do you want it to do and how much are you willing to spend?

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    Ok.
    So then for the free floats (these ones, at least), basically any one I could go with I'd have to have initially gunsmith-installed, but afterwards I can remove/re-install it myself for maintenance and such, yes?
    If you purchase a rifle without a FF rail it might need gunsmith installation, assuming you don't have the proper tools. Rails like the standard omega and troy mrf don't require much work to install yourself
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't have the right tools...

    Another thought- the Omega X that comes on the DD rifle. The handguard clamp/ring has been factory removed to install.
    Now let's say someday I decide I want a different rail, like the standard Omega. This (and some others) look like they're meant to mount with the rear clamping collar still attached. How would this work with the DD rifle?

    Another thing- I know both FF and Non-FF rails are going to put some stress on the barrel, but it seems like perhaps a FF attached directly to the barrel nut might cause a little more wear on the rifle?
    A FF rail is not going to contact the barrel at any point, and having the rail attached to the barrel nut isn't going to cause any wear abnormal wear. A nonFF rail will contact the barrel and could slightly shift your point of impact if pressure is placed on it (ie resting it on a barrier or using a sling as support).
    True.
    But I guess what I was thinking, is even though it's going to cause more movement, having the rail attached between 2 points would seem to cause less strain on a certain area- as opposed to the FF being mounted to the barrel nut, and having all the pressure of movement using a sling and foregrip centered on that one point.
    More of a durability issue, in my mind- somebody on here did some strain tests with FF rails a while back that I saw. Just got me thinking.

    No problem, glad I could help. Sorry if I sounded a little snippy, waking up at 4am to study for my first exam at police academy isn't exactly conducive to being in good cheer.
    No, I didn't mean it like that-at least it didn't seem that way to me. I just go on and on sometimes (see the title of this thread...).

    I would like to know what price the BCM you posted is, because unless there is a substantial difference I think the DDMv3 would probably be the way to go. BCM is unquestionably one of the highest quality makers out there, but IMO, the value of the DD rifles offer at these prices is unbeatable.
    At Clyde's price, it is definately the better deal. As far as I can see, the BCM Mid16 Mod2 is between $1299-1400 from either BCM or G&R.
    Basically, what I'm thinking is, if I buy complete, I'll probably go with the DD. If I build, it will be 80% BCM (upper/barrel, bcg, etc.- lower DD)
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    Alright, my post isn't showing up, so I'm, doing this again...

    Ok.
    So then for the free floats (these ones, at least), basically any one I could go with I'd have to have initially gunsmith-installed, but afterwards I can remove/re-install it myself for maintenance and such, yes?
    If you purchase a rifle without a FF rail it might need gunsmith installation, assuming you don't have the proper tools. Rails like the standard omega and troy mrf don't require much work to install yourself
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't have the right tools...

    Another thought- the Omega X that comes on the DD rifle. The handguard clamp/ring has been factory removed to install.
    Now let's say someday I decide I want a different rail, like the standard Omega. This (and some others) apparently seem to be meant to mount with the rear clamping collar still attached. How would this work with the DD rifle?

    Another thing- I know both FF and Non-FF rails are going to put some stress on the barrel, but it seems like perhaps a FF attached directly to the barrel nut might cause a little more wear on the rifle?
    A FF rail is not going to contact the barrel at any point, and having the rail attached to the barrel nut isn't going to cause any wear abnormal wear. A nonFF rail will contact the barrel and could slightly shift your point of impact if pressure is placed on it (ie resting it on a barrier or using a sling as support).
    True.
    But I guess what I was thinking, is even though it's going to cause more movement, having the rail attached between 2 points would seem to cause less strain on a certain area- as opposed to the FF being mounted to the barrel nut, and having all the pressure of movement using a sling and foregrip centered on that one point.
    More of a durability issue, in my mind- somebody on here did some strain tests with FF rails a while back that I saw. Just got me thinking.

    No problem, glad I could help. Sorry if I sounded a little snippy, waking up at 4am to study for my first exam at police academy isn't exactly conducive to being in good cheer.
    No, I didn't mean it like that-at least it didn't seem that way to me. I just go on and on sometimes (see the title of this thread...).

    I would like to know what price the BCM you posted is, because unless there is a substantial difference I think the DDMv3 would probably be the way to go. BCM is unquestionably one of the highest quality makers out there, but IMO, the value of the DD rifles offer at these prices is unbeatable.
    At Clyde's price, it is definately the better deal. As far as I can see, the BCM Mid16 Mod2 is between $1299-1400 from either BCM or G&R.
    Basically, what I'm thinking is, if I buy complete, I'll probably go with the DD. If I build, it will be 80% BCM (upper/barrel, bcg, etc.- lower DD)
    "Once we get some iron in our souls, we'll get some iron in our hands..."

    "...A rapid, aggressive response will let you get away with some pretty audacious things if you are willing to be mean, fast, and naked."-Failure2Stop

    "The Right can meme; the Left can organize. I guess now we know which one is important." - Random internet comment

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    I assume you'd need to go back to a stock barrel nut with the omega rail. I don't know why you would go from an omega x to an omega.

    I can't see any practical disadvantage to a FF rail from a strength or wear standpoint. There are tons of people here with more relevant experience and knowledge than I have, hopefully they'll chime in. IMO you're overthinking this.
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    What do you want it to do and how much are you willing to spend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texag View Post
    I assume you'd need to go back to a stock barrel nut with the omega rail. I don't know why you would go from an omega x to an omega.

    I can't see any practical disadvantage to a FF rail from a strength or wear standpoint. There are tons of people here with more relevant experience and knowledge than I have, hopefully they'll chime in. IMO you're overthinking this.
    Heh- I'm starting to think that myself.

    As far as the rail- I'm not planning on changing it out, if I go with the DD. I'm just playing devil's advocate- thinking worst impossible case scenario- i.e., it somehow gets run over, or dropped from 10 stories, and crushed/cracked/etc..
    Besides, sometimes it's nice just to know things for future reference.
    Last edited by Jellybean; 07-27-10 at 01:46.
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