need help with troy folding battle sights

[mtneer13]

The Troy sights are an excellent product. Love mine. Keep us informed. Haven't heard of any probs. with them before; includes discussions with some high speed/low drag guys. Make sure you have Loctite(blue) on the threads.

yeah, that's why i think it's me!!! the wierd thing is that when i was shooting 150 plus yds it was still way high, that's why i was stumped...it shot high close in and high out to beyond 150...i'll get it this weekend for sure!!! thanks for all the comments!!!

[bp7178]

Are you sure they are genuine Troy sights and/or what is the front sight mounted to?

Try removing the front and rear sight and placing the top rail of the upper on a peice of glass (long mirrors work good) to see if the fore-end rail is canted and /or otherwise not in proper alignment with the receiver's top rail.

Are they HK or M4 style? How are you aligning the sights when you shoot?

[mtneer13]

they are m4 style sights...aligning the front in the middle of the peep, center of target on top of the front post...i sighted the scope to drill bullseyes at 25yds and 50yds today, using a 3x9x40 scope($60 @dicks)...at a hundred, it was still not poking good groups like i get with my 30-06 with a leupold on it, may need to change the scope for a better one...

back to the sights...the adjustment to the front sight, bringing it up about 4 turns definately helped!!! i was shooting very well at 25 and 50 with the irons and then went to the eotech 512...worked great!!! but when i went to 100, i'm still poking holes the size of a pie plate, and that isn't good enough for me...

the rear iron is about a 1/4" from the edge of the right side though...if i go to the irons from the 15/22 with windage and elevation on the rear(old style/non-folding carry handle style) it's dead on centerline of the rifle...

[bp7178]

I would look into how your front sight is mounted, what it is mounted to and it's relationship to the barrel.

[mtneer13]

everything looks down the middle of the barrel...the front sight is mounted to the top rail, it is a m&p 15 tactical with s&w insignia troy folding battle sights...

if i go dead down the center on the rear sight, it puts me off to the left of the target...this is holding the front sight perfectly centered into the large peep...i flipped to the small peep and it seemed to help me concentrate more on the front post on the shorter distances, though i know it's for the long distance shooting...i just think that i shoot more with my head down and to the right of center which moves the rear sight right of center...holding my head up to center with my nose on the charging handle and the stock collapsed does not work for me for comfortability...i like to have that stock fully extended and arms in a comfortable shooting position...i guess i could try to keep my head up and centered, thus moving my eye to the center of the weapon...it's tough to change a practice that is enforced through years of shooting that way...

co-witnessing the eotech512 to it and it sits atop the front post flawlessly...the system shoots well, just gotta get used to the sight being on the right side a bit and shoot more...practice will get me where i want to be!!!

[Crow Hunter]

You did sight it in using the small aperature didn't you?

If you are trying to sight it in with the larger aperature, you will be all over the place. It isn't a precision aperature. It is meant to be used up close and/or in low light against person sized targets and you will get large group dispersion because your eye can't center it as repeatedly every time. If you are hitting within a pie plate at 100 yards with the large aperature repeatably that is what you should pretty good actually.

If you are having trouble seeing through the small aperature, take the stock in a couple of notches to get you closer to the aperature it will help.

Also, if you have it sighted in for dead nuts on at 25 yards, it SHOULD be high at 150 yards. Don't forget your line of sight over the bore is roughly 2.5 inches so if you are hitting dead on at 25 yards, the arc of the bullet will put it close to 8 inches high at 150 yards. It won't cross your LOS again until out past 300 yards. Don't forget, laser bore sighting just shows you what the bore is pointing at, your bullet, unlike the laser, starts falling the instant it leaves the bore. If you are used to conventional hunting rifles you will get different results because the stock on the AR-15 is straight and as such the sight line is significantly higher than the bore as compared to a standard stocked hunting rifle that has drop in the stock to bring your sightline back closer to the bore.

To make a long story longer. If you want to shoot tighter groups with your iron sights, sight it in with the small aperature for around 1.5 inches low at 25 yards. That will keep your LOS closer to the trajectory of the bullet instead of lobbing the bullet out there in a high arc.

Use the large aperature for shooting close range moving people in low light.

[mtneer13]

yeah, i used the small aperature on the 25, 50 and 100...thanks!!! i just have to get used to shooting the platform again...this is the first one that i have actually owned and not uncle...plus they've made some improvements over the past 20 yrs, like the collapsable stock and these folding sights...

but these sights operate similar in nature to an archery peep with to a degree...you can get a smaller or larger aperature, depending on your ability to see in the low light conditions...i am quickly approaching 40 and finding my eyes are having issues adjusting to the light and darkness...it used to only be noticeable to me at dawn or dusk, especially during dusk in baseball season...i guess getting old does suck...

and normally all we did with them in the uscg was rifle quals...for boardings some of us carried m-16s, some had remmy 870s and the officers normally just carried a sidearm, beretta 92s...

[ra2bach]

I don't trust mechanical boresighters. what I do to get on paper is remove the upper and BCG and secure the upper in sandbags or mechanical rest.

look through the bore from behind and "sight in" at a distinct spot at least 100 yards away - I like to use the upper corner of a target stand centered in the hole so I get both a vertical and horizontal index.

now, without disturbing the alignment of the upper adjust your sights to this same spot. it will probably take a few cycles of adjusting sights, checking original bore alignment, refining sight adjustment, etc... but once they align perfectly, you are going to be very close to dead-on at this point.

reassemble the rifle and make final POA/POI adjustments with ammunition of choice...