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    Man that is history right there. It looks awesome.
    "Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree

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    truly... so does somebody actually carry this on patrol?

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    I have a buddy that works for columbus PD here in Ohio and he was telling me they got some old A1 through the DRMO program and thats what they use for their patrol rifle for the guys that are lucky enough to get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    truly... so does somebody actually carry this on patrol?
    Used to be issued to one of our sgts, it was taken out of circulation due to it's rarity.

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    Since Colt production started at Serial Number 00000, your department's rifle is the 178th made!

    Glad it is still in one piece, but it would have been better if still transferable to any legal US Citizen.

    I think a transferable one numbered lower was offered by a dealer...serial number 104 if I remember. The dealer claimed it was the original Test gun by Armalite and Colt, which was actually Armalite Serial Number AR15 00004.......which is still in Reed Knight's collection in Titusville, FL.

    Great history!

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    Yeah I wish we could own them too. There is a big red stamp across the bottom of the form 4 that states something along the lines of transferable to government agencies only!
    "Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree

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    Yeah, the Post 1986 Selectfire weapons transferred out of Government inventories are stamped the same as Form 10 guns.....only to other PD's or Government approved entities like Federal/State sponsored museums.

    The bad thing is that before 1972, Form 10 guns could be transferred like any other pre1968 or pre1986 machinegun.....seems a not so kosher dealer registered a bunch of illegal machineguns and cannons through a Police Department, who registered them with the Feds on a Form 10 making them legal.....the PD then transferred them back to the dealer, who sold them at a premium to civilians.

    I bought one of these guns, a Chinese AK47 Nam bring back gun, in 1978 from an Illinois machinegun dealer, who used to have big full page ads in Shotgun News and Soldier of Fortune magazine. I did a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) check on the registration and found that the gun was registered in 1972 by an Illinois Sheriff's Department on a Form 10. When I asked about whether it was legal to own......BATF told me that before a Supreme Court ruling closing the loophole, those Form 10 guns could be owned by regular tax paying people if transferred before 1972 ruling. I have the letter still in my office, but the gun is long gone to pay for another gun.

    Still wish it were possible to get these guns into circulation, kind of like the Department of Energy guns, M14's and M60's, that were registered and sold before 1986.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartanDCI View Post
    Still wish it were possible to get these guns into circulation, kind of like the Department of Energy guns, M14's and M60's, that were registered and sold before 1986.......
    Yeah, Denny and Charlie Logan got most if not all of the M14's from the DOE. Had quite a few (maybe 8-10?) at Knob Creek for sale not too long after they got them. $2500-$3,000 IIRC. Those were the days.

    Quite a few is a relative term, as I think there are only about 25 or so original M14's in the NFA registry. I have the number around here somewhere, but I think that is pretty close. Anyone have the number?

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    I do not remember the total number, but I know that Ron at Class 3 Supply in Hermitage, PA at the time had a couple M14's.....probably from Charlie Logan.

    At the time I think the only legit US M14's came from the DOE and Harrington & Richardson's museum, plus the Amnesty guns.

    Colt had a US M14 for testing of some Colt related device......I think it was a US Government provided rifle, it hung on the wall of their Tech library in the dungeon of the old factory under the dome; TRW had a couple M14's that were in their reference collection......later given on Form4 to a couple of managers.......I think Neil Smith out of Mentor got them......Gene Stoner at Ares had an M14 with fiberglass stock, but I do not know if it was transferable or not.

    There were a couple of Amnesty ones from Vietnam that were advertised in the 1970's by Curt Earl and RJ Perry, but I never confirmed them........I handled an Amnesty Springfield Armory (U.S. Massachusetts made) National Match M14 in Connecticut in the mid 1980's that was unfired......I think it was given as a Match rifle and "walked".........so the "25" number sounds about right.

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