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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoTex View Post
    There's a surprising "so crazy it's brilliant" logic to that. I'm intruiged by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter

    Seriously though, never thought of it that way.
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    Went through an EAG class in june which was about 1300 rounds down the pipe, put about 500 down the pipe before and after the class and it has not be cleaned yet. I bought the upper new before the class (Colt 6921 upper with BCM bcg). The only thing I have done is wipe down the outside of the gun, get's real dirty around the ejection port. The only reason I do this is so it doesn't get people dirty if they want to look at it etc...

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    I'm with Katar. I rarely detail clean my AR, my Glocks, or my Precision 308 bolt gun. For me this started years ago when I was shooting at a local club and I noticed a trend with the custom 1911 guys, of which I was one.

    After the match or training the guys would detail strip and clean vigorously, reasssemble, load and carry till the next match. I noticed over the years that many of these shooters had minor feeding issues or seating issues with those first mags that had been loaded. I'm not talking about major malfunctions or something that happened with regularity but it happened occasionally and frequently enough that several of us decided to shoot, clean, shoot, then carry. This was over 20 years ago and is just a habit now.

    After watching the young Marines in Iraq carrying thier M-16's with no finish because of excessive "cleaning" and a few classes I applied the same pracrtice to the AR series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masternave View Post
    I didn't grow up with guns, so I'm having to rely on the wisdom of the internet, and since this is the wisest part of the gun-internet, I ask this here:

    I clean my CMMG AR-15 (i.e., strip, soak in CLP, scrub each piece, oil with CLP, put back together, usually run a bore snake, or jag and patch the barrel) after every time I shoot. Is this completely necessary? I see a lot of shooters on this and other forums that run their guns several thousand rounds without cleaning. Is cleaning defined more strictly than what I've been doing? How often do you clean your firearms, and what does that entail?

    Thanks. I know I ask a lot of stupid questions on this forum, but ya'll are so helpful! :P Thanks for all the advice.
    Eh.....yes you are.....BUT if it makes you happy and sleep well at night, go for it.

    No reason to adopt a "scrub scrub scrub" cleaning schedule. Over cleaning has done more to wear and damage parts than actually shooting the weapon. If necessary, the bolt or BCG will get a hose down/wipe down IF issues develop. I'm one of the guys who only clean every 3-4K rounds (primarily Wolf and Brown Bear) fired. With me, it's a reliability/confidence/lazy thing. I like to know that my ARs can run up to 4K rounds with just lube. On the flip side of the coin, others say cleaning after every session provides that warm fuzzy for reliability. Just don't over do it. I'm with Kater. If you're going to do a Parris Island scrub, do a function check, then test fire a few mags to insure the weapon is working properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    I do not trust a clean firearm.

    Think about it - you are taking a known quantity, and then messing with it and subsequently staking your life on it.

    After I disassemble, inspect, clean, and reassemble a firearm I make sure to put several magazines through it before I can trust it again.
    Then you start the proses over again.
    No, really, that's worth chewing over.

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    Excessive cleaning, esp the barrel can cause unnecessary wear. Although I really haven't seen the negative results of such.

    I guess it depends on how often you go to the range. When it got to the point that i only shot once every other month or so, I made sure that I stored my guns away clean. If I knew I was going to the range a few times in one week, I would just clean at the end of the week.

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    Excessive cleaning, esp the barrel can cause unnecessary wear.
    It'd take years of multiple-times-daily detail cleaning for it cause excess wear to anything but finish, especially on a chrome-lined barrel AR-15.

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoTex View Post
    It'd take years of multiple-times-daily detail cleaning for it cause excess wear to anything but finish, especially on a chrome-lined barrel AR-15.

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
    It would also take many thousands of rounds over a long time span to shoot out a barrel correct?

    Like I said, I have never seen a barrel messed up by excessive cleaning either, just stating what I understand.

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    It would also take many thousands of rounds over a long time span to shoot out a barrel correct?
    Rounds down the pipe are much more wear-inducing than cleaning (and are generally done much more rapidly, increasing the wear factor exponentially with residual heat increase).

    My point is, while theoretically true, excess cleaning causing anything beyond finish wear is so slow and remote as to be entirely negligible. It's therefore not a sound reason against cleaning more than is truly necessary, and to list it as one drastically exaggerates it's effects.

    In short: you're technically right, but it's a tiny detail that some people latch onto too much, and then use as an excuse to neglect their weapon, and that's where my concern is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoTex View Post
    Rounds down the pipe are much more wear-inducing than cleaning (and are generally done much more rapidly, increasing the wear factor exponentially with residual heat increase).

    My point is, while theoretically true, excess cleaning causing anything beyond finish wear is so slow and remote as to be entirely negligible. It's therefore not a sound reason against cleaning more than is truly necessary, and to list it as one drastically exaggerates it's effects.

    In short: you're technically right, but it's a tiny detail that some people latch onto too much, and then use as an excuse to neglect their weapon, and that's where my concern is.
    A well thought out and worded response. I accept your logic. I guess my fear of damage sustained while cleaning stems from the more dramatic effects of improper cleaning techniques rather than frequency.

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