
Originally Posted by
Crow Hunter
You will not get a "guarantee" of accuracy using surplus ammo.
There is a reason why it is surplus and cheap. The round to round consitency in velocity, bullet weight, bullet concentricty, etc is just not going to be there and as such you will not get consistent impact locations on the target. The key to accuracy is repeatability. Even if you are perfect in your application of shooting fundamentals with a perfect free floated barrel you won't get consitent results if you aren't using consistent ammunition. The physics just aren't there.
If you are consistently getting 2.5 MOA out of your AK with any surplus ammo, you must be very very lucky in buying surplus. So all of your shots with your AK are hitting within 2.5 inches at 100 yards using any surplus?
What scope are you using? What ammo? How many shots in your group?
Most AR's won't do that using US surplus XM193....
Bingo!! To the OP;
I load all my 5.56/223 my self for range/practice I use surplus 55gr bullets I bought a few years back..Weighing these bullets gets you some interesting results..they will vary in weight by as much as 3gr either way..accuracy wise, they'll be accurate enough to get the job done..If you're looking for 1.5 MOA accuracy with surplus..It ain't gonna happen..you'll have to load your own with better bullets..The L.C. cases are fine, probably some of the best quality wise, The bullets the military uses just aren't of very high quality. I have a target AR that has a 22" S.S. douglas bbl, freefloated, About 1" thick, jewell trigger, Burris scope, using L.C. cases, WC 844 powder (surplus powder) and 52 gr Serria's I can shoot 10 shot groups that measure 3/4" @100yds.. At 300yds it'll do 2 3/4" for 10 shot groups.
10 shot groups..this is the gold standard for accuracy..5 shot groups mean nothing,period. If you can put 10 rounds into 1.5 or whatever size you're looking for, then you're doing something, But most importantly, you're getting a real, consistent,picture of what kind of accuracy your rifle is capable of.
You've gotten some good advice here, I don't have a problem with AK's, But, I do believe the AR is a superior platform, and your fears of running out of affordable surplus ammo is'nt unfounded..Soviet surplus is going to run out one day,And I don't think that day is too far off, and there is'nt much support for reloading them either,(reloadable cases, bullets)and not alot in the way of loading data. So, sooner or later you're going to start paying more, much more, for ammo, At least with the AR, quality reloading componets are easily found, and reasonably priced, Also take into consideration your friend's AR is only a sample of one, and there's also the question of his abilitys.. So, I would'nt put alot into that compairison. Anyway if you're thinking of switching to a AR, now is the time, Never before has there been such a wide selection of high quality AR's for reasonable prices. For what it's worth, Buy a quality AR, and don't look back...
Last edited by ralph; 08-04-10 at 16:49.
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